Charles Town Race 5

Claiming

Prize Money: $27,871

MISS IM PULSIVE (6) missed the placings two runs back then was never in contention last start when 14 lengths away in seventh over 1106m at Finger Lakes. Finds the right race this time and can take this out. CLIMATE CHANGE (3) was well in the market but disappointed backers last time when 5 lengths from the winner in sixth over 905m at this track (Dirt). Should camp just off the leaders. Expected to be in the finish. ARDITAMENTE (5) was well supported last time over 905m at this track (Dirt) but could only manage third. Strong claims on best figures. DIAKONISSA (7) was expected to do more last start when out of the placings over 1308m at this track (Dirt), beaten 17 lengths. Well placed and there is no reason she cannot find winning ways.
  • Distance: 905m
  • Track: Firm
  • Weather: overcast
  • Surface: Dirt
  • Class: CLM
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2Wade S Sanderson
  • Another Fine Juba (1) 9157523142
  • Trainer: Wade S Sanderson()
  • Jockey: Fredy Peltroche
  • Weight: 55.5kg
  • Prize Money: $113,918
  • Win / Place: 11% / 41%

4 yo Dark Bay/Brown Filly

Sire: JUBA (USA)

Dam: JACKY'S NOTION (USA)

Dam's Sire: Great Notion

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Rating

Stats
Career
34: 4-7-3
Distance
27: 4-6-2
Trk/Dst
27: 4-6-2
Track
33: 4-7-3
Season
13: 2-3-1
1st Up
1: 0-0-0
2nd Up
1: 0-0-0
3rd Up
1: 0-0-0
4th Up
1: 0-0-0
Non-Metro
34: 4-7-3
Dirt
34: 4-7-3
Anti-Clockwise
34: 4-7-3
Jockey Stats
Horse
7: 1-2-1
Last 50
0: 0-0-0
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Distance Range Last 6 months

905m

Comments
Last start 2nd of 7 at this track on December 3 over 905m, 2 len behind Crafty Windsor Cat with 57kg at $2.90. The race before that 4th of 8 at this track on November 5 over 905m, 4.5 len behind All Aboard carrying 57kg at $7.

Expected Settling Position: Midfield

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
2nd of 73/12/25Charles Town905mCLM FM 3U1F Peltroche57kgFast0:53.9160.4 km/h2.0L7-3$2.9028$18,989$3,755

1. Crafty Windsor Cat

2. Another Fine Juba

3. True Buckpassing

4th of 85/11/25Charles Town905mCLM FM 3U6F Peltroche57kgFast0:53.6360.7 km/h4.5L4-4$7.0021$18,931$925

1. All Aboard

2. Aim's Jubilee

3. Phantom Queen

1st of 615/10/25Charles Town905mCLM FM 3U1F Peltroche56kgFast0:53.5760.8 km/h3.8L5-2$2.9041$18,874$11,324

1. Another Fine Juba

2. Crafty Windsor Cat

3. Wac Is Fast

41 Day Freshen-Up
3rd of 74/9/25Charles Town905mCLM FM 3U7F Peltroche56kgSP0:52.8761.6 km/h3.8L6-2$3.8028$18,960$1,875

1. All Aboard

2. Karpathian Dream

3. Another Fine Juba

2nd of 67/8/25Charles Town905mCLM FM 3U1F Peltroche56kgFast0:53.8660.5 km/h3.5L5-2$1020$19,225$3,845

1. Slewing

2. Another Fine Juba

3. Lovely Lucy

5th of 618/7/25Charles Town905mCLM FM 3U3F Peltroche55.5kgSP0:52.6961.8 km/h5.3L6-5$2841$24,159$725

1. Cherokee Castle

2. Castle Toy

3. Snowy Juba Cat

41 Day Freshen-Up
3Ronney W Brown
  • Climate Change (2) 2613144226
  • Trainer: Ronney W Brown()
  • Jockey: Moises Santaella (a2.3)
  • Weight: 54.5kg
  • Prize Money: $95,154
  • Win / Place: 20% / 53%

3 yo Dark Bay/Brown Filly

Sire: FLAMEAWAY (CAN)

Dam: CAN'T STEAL MY JOY (USA)

Dam's Sire: Exclusive Quality

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Rating

Stats
Career
15: 3-3-2
Distance
3: 1-0-1
Trk/Dst
3: 1-0-1
Track
14: 3-3-2
Season
13: 3-3-1
1st Up
2: 1-0-1
2nd Up
2: 0-0-0
3rd Up
1: 0-0-0
4th Up
1: 0-1-0
Non-Metro
15: 3-3-2
Dirt
15: 3-3-2
Anti-Clockwise
15: 3-3-2
Jockey Stats
Horse
1: 0-0-0
Last 50
0: 0-0-0
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Distance Range Last 6 months

905m - 1609m

Comments
Last start second last of 7 at this track on December 4 over 905m, 5 len behind Juba B Wild carrying 52.5kg at $3.30. The run before that 2nd in a small field at this track on November 13 over 1308m, 1.75 len behind Lucky Bop carrying 51.5kg at $3.90.

Expected Settling Position: Pace

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
6th of 74/12/25Charles Town905mALLOW FM 3U6Moises Santaella52.5kgFast0:52.8761.6 km/h5.0L3-4$3.30f21$48,545$966

1. Juba B Wild

2. Golden Circles

3. I'm A Cool Queen

2nd of 613/11/25Charles Town1308mCLM FM 3U2Warren Iii Ebow51.5kgFast1:22.3257.2 km/h1.8L1-1$3.9021$27,786$5,557

1. Lucky Bop

2. Climate Change

3. Collecting Angels

2nd of 723/10/25Charles Town1408mCLM FM 3U3Warren Iii Ebow51kgFast1:28.0557.6 km/h0.3L1-1$6.9021$27,702$5,498

1. Collecting Angels

2. Climate Change

3. Look Ahead

4th of 62/10/25Charles Town1308mCLM FM 3U6Juan Belisario52kgFast1:21.3957.9 km/h5.0L3-3$3.2025$27,829$1,391

1. Look Ahead

2. Karpathian Dream

3. Mitole Candy

4th of 57/9/25Mountaineer Park1609mCLM FM 3U3B Whitacre53.5kgFast1:42.6756.4 km/h6.8L3-4$2.3024$21,407$1,070

1. Xhilaratingpurpose

2. Still Grumpy

3. Runaway Beauty

1st of 814/8/25Charles Town1408mCLM FM 3U6Arnaldo Bocachica53.5kgGood1:27.0858.2 km/h2.5L5-1$1.80f27$29,922$17,693

1. Climate Change

2. Ghost Of Alcina

3. Moonshine Mama

4Timothy C Grams
  • Talented Lord (3) x611834772
  • Trainer: Timothy C Grams()
  • Jockey: Juan Belisario (a2.3)
  • Weight: 55kg
  • Prize Money: $108,319
  • Win / Place: 33% / 58%

4 yo Bay Filly

Sire: LORD NELSON (USA)

Dam: TALENT N PASSION (USA)

Dam's Sire: City Place

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Rating

Stats
Career
12: 4-2-1
Distance
8: 3-1-1
Trk/Dst
7: 2-1-1
Track
10: 2-2-1
Season
9: 2-1-1
1st Up
2: 1-0-0
2nd Up
2: 2-0-0
3rd Up
2: 1-1-0
4th Up
1: 0-0-0
Non-Metro
12: 4-2-1
Dirt
12: 4-2-1
Anti-Clockwise
12: 4-2-1
Jockey Stats
Horse
1: 0-1-0
Last 50
0: 0-0-0
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Distance Range Last 6 months

905m - 1308m

Comments
Returns from a 49-day let-up. At the latest run 2nd in a small field at this track on October 24 over 905m, 6 len behind Juba Baby carrying 52kg at $1.10. The race before that of 8 at this track on September 25 over 1308m, 7 len behind Lona Lee carrying 56kg at $13.90. Going well.

Expected Settling Position: Midfield

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
2nd of 524/10/25Charles Town905mCLM FM 3U2Juan Belisario52kgFast0:53.1761.3 km/h5.8L4-3$1.10f29$31,050$6,210

1. Juba Baby

2. Talented Lord

3. Lil Jersey Girl

7th of 825/9/25Charles Town1308mALLOW FM 3U4L C Reynolds56kgSP1:19.6659.1 km/h7.5L7-7$1414$48,471$214

1. Lona Lee

2. Marilyn Moonroe

3. Poppy Mac

7th of 911/9/25Charles Town905mALLOW FM 3U2G Almodovar54.5kgFast0:51.9262.8 km/h13.4L8-8$5.2049$48,471$214

1. Redhotchiliphilly

2. Speedy Bubbles

3. Oso

49 Day Freshen-Up
4th of 924/7/25Charles Town905mALLOW FM 3U5G Almodovar55kgFast0:51.9862.7 km/h7.5L3-7$2.40f21$48,471$2,391

1. Coal Country

2. Speedy Bubbles

3. All Caps

3rd of 53/7/25Charles Town905mALLOW FM 3U2G Almodovar55.5kgFast0:51.8262.9 km/h0.8L3-5$1020$44,037$4,404

1. Miss Bee Bop

2. Redhotchiliphilly

3. Talented Lord

8th of 813/6/25Charles Town905mALLOW FM 3U3L C Reynolds55.5kgSP0:52.6261.9 km/h23.3L7-8$4.7040$44,790$218

1. Ran Out Of Trainer

2. Speedy Bubbles

3. Coal Country

40 Day Freshen-Up
5Gregory Viands
  • Arditamente (4) 0x16x273
  • Trainer: Gregory Viands()
  • Jockey: Luis Batista
  • Weight: 56kg
  • Prize Money: $35,548
  • Win / Place: 16% / 50%

3 yo Dark Bay/Brown Filly

Sire: MENDELSSOHN (USA)

Dam: THUNDER AND HONEY (USA)

Dam's Sire: Thunder Gulch

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Rating

Stats
Career
6: 1-1-1
Distance
2: 1-0-1
Trk/Dst
2: 1-0-1
Track
2: 1-0-1
Season
5: 1-1-1
1st Up
3: 1-1-0
2nd Up
2: 0-0-0
3rd Up
1: 0-0-1
Metro
1: 0-0-0
Non-Metro
5: 1-1-1
Dirt
6: 1-1-1
Anti-Clockwise
6: 1-1-1
Jockey Stats
Horse
2: 1-0-1
Last 50
0: 0-0-0
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Distance Range Last 6 months

905m - 1207m

Comments
At the latest run sat on the pace when 3rd of 7 at this track on November 21 over 905m, 9 len behind Don't Blink with 56kg at $2. Before that ran last of 7 at Mountaineer Park on October 29 over 1207m, 17 len behind Aurora's Music carrying 53.5kg at $12.50. Working up to a win.

Expected Settling Position: Midfield

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
3rd of 721/11/25Charles Town905mCLM FM 3U4L A Batista56kgM0:52.5562.0 km/h9.8L4-4$2.00f23$27,786$2,757

1. Don't Blink

2. Blueskyslookinatme

3. Arditamente

7th of 729/10/25Mountaineer Park1207mALLOW FM 3U5L Negron53.5kgFast1:11.7060.6 km/h17.5L7-5$1315$27,397$274

1. Aurora's Music

2. Miss Jane Planar

3. Zen Nation

2nd of 614/10/25Mountaineer Park1106mALLOW FM 3U6Deshawn L Parker53.5kgFast1:06.6159.8 km/h1.0L3-2$11147$27,397$5,479

1. Zen Nation

2. Arditamente

3. Pincara

147 Day Spell
6th of 620/5/25Mountaineer Park1106mALLOW FM 3U3L Negron54kgFast1:07.4859.0 km/h20.8L2-6$5.4019$28,125$281

1. Amalfi Sunset

2. Alien Princess

3. Aurora's Music

1st of 81/5/25Charles Town905mMDN F 33L A Batista56kgFast0:53.1161.3 km/h2.5L5-1$7.70190$43,438$25,800

1. Arditamente

2. Double Spirit

3. Talbot Heirloom

190 Day Spell
11th of 1223/10/24Keeneland1207mMDN CLM F 27Luis Avila54kgFast1:10.7661.4 km/h29.9L8-7$12-$76,590$957

1. Golden Irish

2. Sevenon

3. Mom's Cheesecake

6Anthony Farrior
  • Miss Im Pulsive (5) 20472157
  • Trainer: Anthony Farrior(USA)
  • Jockey: Arnaldo Bocachica
  • Weight: 56kg
  • Prize Money: $75,765
  • Win / Place: 12% / 37%

3 yo Bay Filly

Sire: INTO MISCHIEF (USA)

Dam: MISS MO MENTUM (USA)

Dam's Sire: Uncle Mo

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Rating

Stats
Career
8: 1-2-0
Season
8: 1-2-0
1st Up
1: 0-1-0
2nd Up
1: 0-0-0
3rd Up
1: 0-0-0
4th Up
1: 0-0-0
Metro
4: 0-1-0
Non-Metro
4: 1-1-0
Turf
1: 0-0-0
Dirt
7: 1-2-0
Fast
1: 0-0-0
Firm
1: 0-0-0
Anti-Clockwise
8: 1-2-0
Jockey Stats
Horse
0: 0-0-0
Last 50
0: 0-0-0
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Distance Range Last 6 months

1106m - 1308m

Comments
Most recently second last of 8 at Finger Lakes on November 24 over 1106m, 14 len behind Giuliana's Dream carrying 55kg at $7.41. Before that 5th of 9 at Finger Lakes on November 4 over 1207m, 3.5 len behind Queens Over Threes with 55kg at $8.84.

Expected Settling Position: Midfield

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
7th of 824/11/25Finger Lakes1106mALLOW FM 3U7O Gomez55kgFast1:04.4661.8 km/h14.4L4-6$7.4120$40,458$405

1. Giuliana's Dream

2. April Storm

3. Cloudy Chance

5th of 94/11/25Finger Lakes1207mALLOW FM 3U1O Gomez55kgFast1:13.2359.3 km/h3.4L5-2$8.8427$40,458$809

1. Queens Over Threes

2. Dancin Jane

3. Bald Kitten

1st of 68/10/25Finger Lakes1106mMDN FM 3U1Reyluis Gutierrez55kgFast1:06.7259.7 km/h0.5L4-2$1.23f28$49,619$29,772

1. Miss Im Pulsive

2. Giuliana's Dream

3. Light The Mira

2nd of 910/9/25Finger Lakes1106mMDN FM 3U9Katie Davis55kgFast1:06.4859.9 km/h0.1L2-1$1.83f21$49,847$9,969

1. Happy's Smile

2. Miss Im Pulsive

3. Practically Summer

7th of 820/8/25Saratoga1106mMDN CLM FM 37I Ortiz Jr54kgSP1:03.9862.2 km/h22.1L2-6$4.0526$85,271$853

1. Gratefully

2. Bolt House

3. Kate Barry

4th of 625/7/25Saratoga1308mMDN FM 3U1Katie Davis54kgFast1:18.1860.2 km/h17.3L2-4$3.8051$137,615$8,257

1. Accelerated News

2. Our Preferred Pal

3. Lady Angelina

51 Day Freshen-Up
7Michael E Jones Jnr
  • Diakonissa (6) 112x526856
  • Trainer: Michael E Jones Jnr()
  • Jockey: Christian Hiraldo
  • Weight: 56.5kg
  • Prize Money: $186,541
  • Win / Place: 25% / 50%

3 yo Dark Bay/Brown Filly

Sire: PRESERVATIONIST (USA)

Dam: FLORID (USA)

Dam's Sire: Lemon Drop Kid

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Rating

Stats
Career
12: 3-2-1
Distance
6: 2-0-1
Trk/Dst
5: 2-0-0
Track
8: 3-1-0
Season
6: 0-1-0
1st Up
2: 1-0-0
2nd Up
2: 0-1-0
3rd Up
2: 0-0-1
4th Up
2: 1-0-0
Metro
3: 0-0-1
Non-Metro
9: 3-2-0
Turf
1: 0-0-0
Dirt
11: 3-2-1
Fast
1: 0-0-0
Firm
1: 0-1-0
Anti-Clockwise
12: 3-2-1
Jockey Stats
Horse
0: 0-0-0
Last 50
0: 0-0-0
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Distance Range Last 6 months

905m - 1308m

Comments
Returns from a 29-day let-up. At the latest run ran last in a small field at this track on November 13 over 1308m, 17 len behind Lucky Bop carrying 56kg at $5.30. The run before that 5th of 7 at this track on October 1 over 905m, 6 len behind Candy Tricks with 54.5kg at $38.80.

Expected Settling Position: Off Pace

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
6th of 613/11/25Charles Town1308mCLM FM 3U3J D Acosta56kgFast1:22.3257.2 km/h17.3L3-6$5.3043$27,786$556

1. Lucky Bop

2. Climate Change

3. Collecting Angels

43 Day Freshen-Up
5th of 71/10/25Charles Town905mALLOW FM 3U7Marshall Mendez54.5kgFast0:52.3762.2 km/h6.5L1-7$3934$48,471$1,448

1. Candy Tricks

2. Redhotchiliphilly

3. Genuine Peril

34 Day Freshen-Up
8th of 828/8/25Colonial Downs1106mCLM FM 3U2X Perez54kgFM1:02.2464.0 km/h10.3L6-8$3435$54,264$1,860

1. Money's Worth

2. Midnight Mary

3. Ithinkiloveyou

35 Day Freshen-Up
6th of 924/7/25Charles Town905mALLOW FM 3U7Marshall Mendez54.5kgFast0:51.9862.7 km/h9.0L4-3$6.4030$48,471$957

1. Coal Country

2. Speedy Bubbles

3. All Caps

2nd of 724/6/25Mountaineer Park1207mALLOW FM 3U5Erik Barbaran54.5kgFast1:12.7059.8 km/h3.3L3-2$2.20f59$31,104$6,221

1. Miss Jane Planar

2. Diakonissa

3. Symptomatic

59 Day Freshen-Up
5th of 726/4/25Charles Town905mLR OPEN F 31Arnaldo Bocachica55.5kgGood0:53.0161.5 km/h6.6L5-7$2.40f175$119,808$3,644

1. Allformenoneforyou

2. MacNick Time

3. Over The Bull

175 Day Spell
8Ryan A Gillespie
  • Sweet Manhattan (7) x377633124
  • Trainer: Ryan A Gillespie(@North America)
  • Jockey: Gerald Almodovar
  • Weight: 56kg
  • Prize Money: $39,820
  • Win / Place: 10% / 50%

3 yo Bay Filly

Sire: MO TOWN (USA)

Dam: THREE EMERALDS (USA)

Dam's Sire: Three Wonders

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Rating

Stats
Career
10: 1-1-3
Distance
5: 1-1-2
Trk/Dst
5: 1-1-2
Track
9: 1-1-3
Season
10: 1-1-3
1st Up
2: 0-0-1
2nd Up
1: 0-0-0
3rd Up
1: 0-0-0
4th Up
1: 0-0-0
Metro
1: 0-0-0
Non-Metro
9: 1-1-3
Synthetic
1: 0-0-0
Dirt
9: 1-1-3
Anti-Clockwise
10: 1-1-3
Jockey Stats
Horse
3: 1-1-0
Last 50
0: 0-0-0
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Distance Range Last 6 months

905m - 1408m

Comments
At the latest run 4th in a small field at this track on November 14 over 905m, 10 len behind Naval Hospital with 54.5kg at $20. The start before that 2nd in a small field at this track on October 24 over 905m, 9 len behind Country Cherry with 54.5kg at $39.10.

Expected Settling Position: Pace

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
4th of 614/11/25Charles Town905mALLOW FM 3U6G Almodovar54.5kgFast0:53.2461.2 km/h10.0L1-5$2021$48,397$2,420

1. Naval Hospital

2. Fashion Victim

3. Ride To Remember

2nd of 624/10/25Charles Town905mALLOW FM 3U1G Almodovar54.5kgFast0:52.2762.3 km/h9.3L6-4$3915$48,250$9,650

1. Country Cherry

2. Sweet Manhattan

3. Naval Hospital

1st of 79/10/25Charles Town905mMDN CLM FM 32G Almodovar54.5kgFast0:54.6559.6 km/h0.3L5-1$2.50f21$29,072$17,315

1. Sweet Manhattan

2. Cajun Prime

3. Bourbon And Beauty

3rd of 718/9/25Charles Town905mMDN CLM FM 36Andre R Ramgeet54.5kgFast0:53.9460.4 km/h1.8L2-4$1612$29,205$2,899

1. His Choice

2. Don't Blink

3. Sweet Manhattan

3rd of 86/9/25Charles Town905mMDN CLM FM 37Andre R Ramgeet54.5kgFast0:53.8660.5 km/h3.3L1-3$4223$18,960$1,853

1. Cairnhill

2. Madam Senator

3. Sweet Manhattan

6th of 714/8/25Charles Town1408mMDN CLM FM 32Andre R Ramgeet54.5kgGood1:29.2756.8 km/h14.1L1-6$9.7020$29,612$588

1. Underbid Brittany

2. Fox Fifty Eight

3. Cicatriz

Race Review Abbreviations

3WNC: Three wide no cover, Awk: Awkwardly away, Bk: Back, Blkd: Blocked, Btld: Battled, Chal: Challenged, Chkd: Checked, Cvr: Cover, Fdd: Faded, Fght: Fought, Fin: Finish, Hdd: Headed, Hld up: Held up, Hmprd: Hampered, Hndy: Handy, Kikd: Kicked, Kn: Keen, Ld: Led/Lead, Midf: Midfield, Mod pc: Moderate pace, Otf: On the Fence, ROS: Ran on strongly, Slow: Slow away, Snagd: Snagged, Stld: Settled, Tn: Turn, Trld: Trailed, Under pres: Under pressure, Under rd: Under riding, Urgd: Urged, Wd: Wide, Wdr: Wider, Weavd: Weaved, Wknd: Weakened, Wrkd: Worked

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