Ballarat Race 11

Gcv #13Strong

Prize Money: $1,530

PLUTOCRACY (2) turned in a fair run last time from the squeeze finishing fifth by 4 lengths (22.94). Form here at this distance is sound. Comes out of a solid form race last start. Ready to return to form. SUPER CEVICHE (1) returned a better run last time, finishing in the money (19.76) at Healesville behind Tropic Man in a Grade 5. Will give a great sight again. SERENITY GIRL (6) is mixing form and out of the placings last time but was a Grade 5 winner three starts ago and moves to Box 6 this time where she has performed well. Key player on best and worth another try. ANGRY MAN (3) can sneak into the finish.
  • Distance: 390m
  • Class: Grade 5 T3
  • Track: Good
  • Weather: Clear
  • Surface: All Weather
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1
  • Super Ceviche (1) 1575515263
  • Trainer: Margery Quick (Haddon)
  • Prize Money: $10,870
  • Win / Place: 11% / 39%

4 yo Black B

Sire: SHIMA SHINE (AUS)

Dam: SUPER C AZELLE (AUS)

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Rating

Stats
Career
51: 6-8-6
Track
7: 0-2-1
Trk/Dst
6: 0-2-1
Distance
22: 3-8-1
Season
13: 2-3-1
Country
51: 6-8-6
1st Up
2: 0-0-0
2nd Up
2: 0-0-0
Winning Distances
<400400+500+600+700+
51000
Box History12345678
STARTS451066695
1st10300110
2nd11211110
3rd02100111
Comments
Suited by inside box. Last start finished 3rd over 350m at Healesville beaten 2.5 lengths (19.76) behind Tropic Man in a Grade 5 on January 30. Speedy conveyance who looks hard to beat.
Expected Early Speed:Front Runner
Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceBoxRanAvg. SpeedMarginSPWin TimeBONClassPrizePrize WonDaysResult
3rd of 830/1/26Healesville350m20:19.7663.8 km/h2.5L$150:19.600:19.23GR 5$1,530$16046

1. Tropic Man

2. Superfly Girl

3. Super Ceviche

46 Day Freshen-Up
6th of 815/12/25Warrnambool390m10:23.0361.0 km/h6.3L$3.60f0:22.620:22.48Bottom Up - Grade 5$1,530-7

1. Flying Damiro

2. Saint Mick

3. Myola Thalia

2nd of 88/12/25Ballarat390m40:22.4562.5 km/h0.3L$3.40f0:22.440:21.93GR 5$1,530$32010

1. Duke Caboom

2. Super Ceviche

3. Dookie Giblet

5th of 828/11/25Healesville300m40:17.0363.4 km/h4.5L$8.500:16.740:16.63GR 5$1,530-7

1. May Be Real

2. Mt. View Amour

3. New Arrangement

1st of 821/11/25Healesville300m70:16.9463.8 km/h0.5L$100:16.940:16.90GR 5$1,530$1,00018

1. Super Ceviche

2. Zippi Mustang

3. Angry Man

5th of 73/11/25Warrnambool390m60:22.5962.2 km/h6.8L$4.200:22.150:22.15GR 4/5$1,530-24

1. Lektra Bills

2. Maybe Rain

3. Magic Miley

2
  • Plutocracy (2) x625x3265x
  • Trainer: James Forbes (Ross Creek)
  • Prize Money: $12,200
  • Win / Place: 17% / 36%

3 yo BDL D

Sire: TOMMY SHELBY (AUS)

Dam: OSAKALAKA (AUS)

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Rating

Stats
Career
46: 8-4-5
Track
8: 3-2-0
Trk/Dst
8: 3-2-0
Distance
18: 5-3-0
Season
4: 0-1-1
Country
46: 8-4-5
1st Up
3: 0-0-1
2nd Up
3: 0-2-0
Winning Distances
<400400+500+600+700+
53000
Box History12345678
STARTS76365964
1st10121210
2nd10010011
3rd10000211
Comments
Back from a ten weeks spell and last resumed over 400m at Geelong where he was in the placings, finishing third. Strong form emerging from the that last run. Leading chance.
Expected Early Speed:Midfield
Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceBoxRanAvg. SpeedMarginSPWin TimeBONClassPrizePrize WonDaysResult
5th of 81/12/25Ballarat390m50:22.9461.2 km/h3.8L$4.00f0:22.700:22.51GR 5$1,530-16

1. Paw Pascal

2. Aston Dunkel

3. Swanky Chic

6th of 815/11/25Geelong400m20:23.0162.6 km/h5.3L$190:22.640:22.38GR 5$2,930-59

1. Paw Bastow

2. Xisan Bale

3. Uncle Ernest

59 Day Freshen-Up
2nd of 817/9/25Ballarat390m70:22.6961.9 km/h3.3L$3.60f0:22.460:22.01GR 5$2,930$6008

1. Paw Maddox

2. Plutocracy

3. Romena Charm

3rd of 69/9/25Geelong400m80:23.2062.1 km/h4.8L$5.500:22.890:22.55GR 5$1,530$16078

1. Tuff Toby

2. Dot's Redeemer

3. Plutocracy

78 Day Spell
5th of 823/6/25Ballarat390m60:22.8861.4 km/h5.3L$7.000:22.530:22.40GR 5$1,530-7

1. Noctilucent

2. Rivia Umiko

3. Aston Ophelia

2nd of 816/6/25Ballarat390m80:22.8461.5 km/h1.0L$8.000:22.790:22.50GR 5$1,530$32025

1. Magpie Harry

2. Plutocracy

3. Aston Finniss

3
  • Angry Man (3) 1516356424
  • Trainer: Debbie Bewley (Pentland Hills)
  • Prize Money: $10,435
  • Win / Place: 11% / 46%

3 yo Black D

Sire: MY REDEEMER (AUS)

Dam: HARPER'S GIRL (AUS)

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Rating

Stats
Career
45: 5-8-8
Track
12: 2-4-3
Trk/Dst
12: 2-4-3
Distance
16: 2-4-3
Season
32: 4-5-5
Country
45: 5-8-8
1st Up
1: 0-0-1
2nd Up
1: 0-0-0
Winning Distances
<400400+500+600+700+
32000
Box History12345678
STARTS27675675
1st12001001
2nd01112120
3rd11021210
Comments
Missed the frame last time but finished in the minors two back when second (24.46) over 425m at Bendigo. Draws an inside box and capable of a better result.
Expected Early Speed:Midfield
Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceBoxRanAvg. SpeedMarginSPWin TimeBONClassPrizePrize WonDaysResult
4th of 74/2/26Bendigo425m20:24.5962.2 km/h6.0L$9.000:24.200:23.98Rank Limit - Grade 5$1,530$507

1. Goosebumps Rico

2. Collinda Dougie

3. Kraken Tommy

2nd of 728/1/26Bendigo425m50:24.4662.6 km/h3.8L$6.000:24.230:24.07GR 5$1,530$3206

1. Zapatron

2. Angry Man

3. Paw Enna

4th of 722/1/26Healesville300m20:17.2362.7 km/h3.8L$410:16.980:16.93GR 5 H$1,530$5010

1. Jaded Smile

2. Soda Turkey

3. Zoom Boom

6th of 812/1/26Warrnambool390m70:22.9761.1 km/h8.5L$190:22.370:22.27Bottom Up - Grade 5$1,530-3

1. Paw Maddox

2. Snowball One

3. Leap Of Faith

5th of 89/1/26Geelong400m70:23.0562.5 km/h9.4L$460:22.390:22.31GR 5$2,930-4

1. Application

2. Paw Callie

3. Spring Brumby

3rd of 85/1/26Ballarat390m70:22.3762.8 km/h4.0L$9.500:22.120:22.08GR 5$1,530$1603

1. Aston Monarchy

2. Harlow's Boy

3. Angry Man

4
  • Paw Pascal (4) 1247688156
  • Trainer: Luke Harris (Devon Meadows)
  • Prize Money: $14,015
  • Win / Place: 16% / 38%

2 yo WH/BDL D

Sire: YOZO BALE (AUS)

Dam: QUINA BALE (AUS)

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Rating

Stats
Career
62: 10-4-10
Track
18: 3-3-5
Trk/Dst
17: 3-3-4
Distance
38: 6-4-6
Season
36: 6-3-4
Country
62: 10-4-10
1st Up
2: 0-0-0
2nd Up
1: 0-0-0
Winning Distances
<400400+500+600+700+
64000
Box History12345678
STARTS76119151310
1st11201131
2nd00100030
3rd11110141
Comments
Last start finished sixth in a Grade 5 on February 2 over 390m at Shepparton behind Chilli Crumpet, beaten 11 lengths (22.62). Solid claims this line-up.
Expected Early Speed:Midfield
Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceBoxRanAvg. SpeedMarginSPWin TimeBONClassPrizePrize WonDaysResult
6th of 82/2/26Shepparton390m10:22.6262.1 km/h11.0L$150:21.900:21.75GR 5$2,930-10

1. Chilli Crumpet

2. Barooga Queen

3. Got A Scan

5th of 723/1/26Ballarat390m40:22.5562.3 km/h9.3L$4.800:21.940:21.82GR 5$2,930-3

1. Tricky Disco

2. Morning Mist

3. Kaia Got Square

1st of 720/1/26Geelong400m20:22.8363.1 km/h1.2L$5.000:22.830:22.54GR 5$1,530$1,0007

1. Paw Pascal

2. Blazing Riot

3. My Bro Jill

8th of 813/1/26Warragul400m80:23.3961.6 km/h9.6L$9.000:22.720:22.12GR 5$2,930-4

1. Best Dressed

2. Rose Opal

3. Paw Cora

8th of 89/1/26Warragul400m80:23.2561.9 km/h8.0L$230:22.720:22.55GR 5$2,930-7

1. Paw Jelani

2. Scott Greyscale

3. Miss Indi Bear

6th of 82/1/26Warragul400m40:23.0962.4 km/h9.8L$230:22.440:22.20GR 5$2,930-3

1. Scott Sigma

2. Field Of Angels

3. Paw Yaz

5
  • Zipping O'reilly (5) 5745327364
  • Trainer: Andrea Gurry (Nhill)
  • Prize Money: $9,105
  • Win / Place: 8.33% / 38%

2 yo RED/FWN D

Sire: ASTON DEE BEE (AUS)

Dam: ZIPPING VIRGINIA (AUS)

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Rating

Stats
Career
36: 3-4-7
Track
5: 0-1-1
Distance
1: 0-0-0
Season
21: 2-2-5
Metro
3: 0-1-1
Country
33: 3-3-6
1st Up
1: 1-0-0
2nd Up
1: 0-0-0
Winning Distances
<400400+500+600+700+
12000
Box History12345678
STARTS72270648
1st00010101
2nd21010000
3rd00110113
Comments
Missed the frame latest (22.75) when fourth over 390m at Warrnambool in a Bottom Up - Grade 5. Starts from box 5 for the first time here. Has ability but looking elsewhere this time.
Expected Early Speed:Midfield
Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceBoxRanAvg. SpeedMarginSPWin TimeBONClassPrizePrize WonDaysResult
4th of 72/2/26Warrnambool390m80:22.7561.7 km/h1.0L$4.600:22.700:22.17Bottom Up - Grade 5$1,530$5060

1. Cabao Lapis

2. Moraine Sofia

3. Step On Air

60 Day Freshen-Up
6th of 74/12/25Ballarat450m80:25.8462.7 km/h12.0L$260:25.040:24.88RST WIN$2,930-3

1. Retaliation

2. Flying Maverick

3. Absolute Rupee

3rd of 81/12/25Ballarat450m80:26.3061.6 km/h7.8L$6.000:25.780:25.78GR 5$1,530$1606

1. Paw Olyslagers

2. Basement

3. Zipping O'reilly

7th of 825/11/25Horsham410m60:24.2061.0 km/h12.8L$340:23.310:22.77GR 5$2,930-8

1. Rupee Mcgraw

2. Paw Verity

3. Everglade

2nd of 817/11/25Ballarat450m40:26.0962.1 km/h4.5L$4.400:25.770:25.77GR 5$1,530$3204

1. Whatever He Said

2. Zipping O'reilly

3. Stilton Swirl

3rd of 613/11/25Warrnambool450m60:25.7662.9 km/h5.5L$8.000:25.410:25.05GR 5$2,930$3003

1. Remus Lupin

2. Paw Farina

3. Zipping O'reilly

6
  • Serenity Girl (6) 1877284154
  • Trainer: S Cassar (Brookfield)
  • Prize Money: $11,625
  • Win / Place: 16% / 42%

3 yo RED/BDL B

Sire: FERNANDO BALE (AUS)

Dam: JUST TERMS (AUS)

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Rating

Stats
Career
42: 7-7-4
Track
23: 6-4-2
Trk/Dst
21: 5-4-2
Distance
21: 5-4-2
Season
20: 2-4-2
Country
42: 7-7-4
1st Up
2: 1-0-0
2nd Up
2: 0-0-0
Winning Distances
<400400+500+600+700+
61000
Box History12345678
STARTS86735553
1st11101201
2nd11212000
3rd01200010
Comments
Last start finished 4th over 390m at this track beaten 7 lengths (22.87) behind Jackpot Cash in a Grade 5 on February 2. Has run slick time here with a 22.22 PB at the distance. Go close.
Expected Early Speed:Midfield
Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceBoxRanAvg. SpeedMarginSPWin TimeBONClassPrizePrize WonDaysResult
4th of 82/2/26Ballarat390m20:22.8761.4 km/h7.3L$1.900:22.390:22.09GR 5$1,530$508

1. Jackpot Cash

2. Energiser Dash

3. What A Wrought

5th of 725/1/26Healesville300m10:16.9963.6 km/h3.0L$670:16.790:16.52GR 5$2,930-6

1. Cheetah Moon

2. Lady Persimmon

3. Coco Tommy

1st of 819/1/26Ballarat390m20:22.4462.6 km/h1.3L$2.700:22.440:22.09GR 5$1,530$1,0006

1. Serenity Girl

2. Wow His Norm

3. Francesca Rose

4th of 813/1/26Ballarat390m10:22.7261.8 km/h3.3L$4.000:22.500:22.16GR 5$1,530$5015

1. Ready To Stagger

2. Aston Currency

3. Lochinvar Gift

8th of 829/12/25Ballarat390m10:23.0860.8 km/h9.3L$8.500:22.470:22.38GR 5$1,530-7

1. Tipsy Turtle

2. Kathlen's Entity

3. Dinosaur

2nd of 822/12/25Ballarat390m40:22.6562.0 km/h3.5L$2.80f0:22.420:22.35GR 5$1,530$32019

1. Paw Janelle

2. Serenity Girl

3. Kraken Hook

7
  • Zambora Bully (7) 4311865673
  • Trainer: Suzanne Mannion (Gordon)
  • Prize Money: $17,195
  • Win / Place: 14% / 44%

4 yo FWN D

Sire: SUPERIOR PANAMA (USA)

Dam: ZAMBORA CROSS (AUS)

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Rating

Stats
Career
54: 8-7-9
Track
22: 3-1-2
Trk/Dst
22: 3-1-2
Distance
26: 4-1-2
Season
16: 3-0-2
Country
54: 8-7-9
1st Up
3: 1-0-1
2nd Up
3: 0-1-0
Winning Distances
<400400+500+600+700+
71000
Box History12345678
STARTS583976511
1st12020012
2nd22002010
3rd02101113
Comments
In the money last time at this track (22.57) in a Grade 5, finishing a 2.5 lengths third. Goes well out of this box with a win and two minors. Has ability but looking elsewhere this time.
Expected Early Speed:Midfield
Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceBoxRanAvg. SpeedMarginSPWin TimeBONClassPrizePrize WonDaysResult
3rd of 819/1/26Ballarat390m70:22.5762.2 km/h2.5L$410:22.400:22.09GR 5$1,530$16014

1. Time To Prophet

2. Pyrenees Blazer

3. Zambora Bully

7th of 85/1/26Ballarat390m30:23.0061.0 km/h13.5L$230:22.100:22.08GR 5$1,530-7

1. Mia Coco

2. Squeegee's Ride

3. County Tyrone

6th of 829/12/25Ballarat390m50:23.0161.0 km/h8.3L$150:22.470:22.38GR 5$1,530-21

1. Tipsy Turtle

2. Kathlen's Entity

3. Dinosaur

5th of 88/12/25Ballarat390m80:22.6662.0 km/h3.3L$6.000:22.440:21.93GR 5$1,530-42

1. Duke Caboom

2. Super Ceviche

3. Dookie Giblet

42 Day Freshen-Up
6th of 827/10/25Ballarat390m10:22.7761.7 km/h8.3L$7.500:22.230:22.23GR 5$1,530-7

1. Velox Bale

2. Paw Pascal

3. Jill's Fantasy

8th of 820/10/25Ballarat390m60:23.3960.0 km/h10.8L$150:22.640:22.09GR 5$1,530-7

1. Noah Dear

2. Tipsy Turtle

3. Nicked Again

8
  • Little Narla (8) 1313776574
  • Trainer: Nadine Jack (Lethbridge)
  • Prize Money: $10,615
  • Win / Place: 23% / 46%
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3 yo Black B

Sire: HOOKED ON SCOTCH (AUS)

Dam: DORAN'S ASH (AUS)

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Rating

Stats
Career
30: 7-0-7
Track
10: 1-0-2
Trk/Dst
10: 1-0-2
Distance
22: 5-0-5
Season
16: 3-0-3
Country
30: 7-0-7
1st Up
2: 0-0-1
2nd Up
2: 1-0-0
Winning Distances
<400400+500+600+700+
61000
Box History12345678
STARTS26424444
1st21100102
2nd00000000
3rd01011022
Comments
Has been out of the money of late. Could only manage fourth last time out over 390m at this track. Not keen this time.
Expected Early Speed:Midfield
Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceBoxRanAvg. SpeedMarginSPWin TimeBONClassPrizePrize WonDaysResult
4th of 72/2/26Ballarat390m30:22.6162.1 km/h6.3L$2.500:22.200:22.09GR 5$1,530$5011

1. Tinker Dot

2. Tactician

3. Vinny Dewalt

7th of 822/1/26Warrnambool390m20:22.7461.7 km/h9.5L$170:22.110:21.94GR 5$2,930-29

1. Mischief Mate

2. Fire Up Mark

3. Paw Ensley

5th of 724/12/25Ballarat390m50:22.8861.4 km/h9.8L$9.000:22.230:21.88GR 5$2,930-7

1. Aston Warrior

2. Matty Boy

3. Urana Rhino

6th of 717/12/25Ballarat390m60:22.4662.5 km/h7.0L$100:22.000:21.75GR 5$2,930-40

1. Mr. Kia Ora

2. Everglade

3. Lilly Zoom

40 Day Freshen-Up
7th of 87/11/25Geelong400m20:23.3861.6 km/h9.8L$8.000:22.730:22.65GR 5$2,930-8

1. Slick Tommy

2. Holyfield Chic

3. Crackerjack Trev

7th of 730/10/25Ballarat390m20:22.4662.5 km/h9.5L$4.600:21.830:21.83GR 5$2,930-7

1. Sweet Love

2. Oh Biscuit

3. Paw Verity

9
  • Agon Caramel (9) 7627661375
  • Trainer: Jack Clarke (Creswick)
  • Prize Money: $10,370
  • Win / Place: 10% / 35%

3 yo FWN B

Sire: FERNANDO BALE (AUS)

Dam: RASPUTIA (AUS)

Racing and Sports - Trusted form provider for 20+ years96

Rating

Stats
Career
60: 6-6-9
Track
20: 2-3-2
Trk/Dst
11: 1-1-1
Distance
20: 3-3-2
Season
16: 1-2-2
Country
60: 6-6-9
1st Up
2: 2-0-0
2nd Up
2: 0-0-0
Winning Distances
<400400+500+600+700+
33000
Box History12345678
STARTS5810845911
1st00201021
2nd10110012
3rd12010023
Comments
At the last outing finished 5th over 390m at this track beaten 5.5 lengths (22.89) behind Rusty Wheels in a Grade 5 on December 29. Solid claims this line-up.
Expected Early Speed:Midfield
Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceBoxRanAvg. SpeedMarginSPWin TimeBONClassPrizePrize WonDaysResult
5th of 829/12/25Ballarat390m10:22.8961.3 km/h5.3L$6.000:22.550:22.38GR 5$1,530-14

1. Rusty Wheels

2. Tinker Rays

3. Ethanol Vision

7th of 815/12/25Ballarat545m40:32.0061.3 km/h7.8L$180:31.490:31.49GR 5$1,740-7

1. Mandolin Storm

2. Paw Quanda

3. Dad's Jam Donut

3rd of 88/12/25Ballarat450m80:25.9962.3 km/h3.5L$8.000:25.760:25.55GR 5$1,530$1607

1. Moonlight Jazz

2. Astute Queen

3. Agon Caramel

1st of 81/12/25Ballarat390m70:22.9761.1 km/h1.3L$120:22.970:22.51GR 5$1,530$1,0006

1. Agon Caramel

2. Acoustic Flash

3. Kraken Hook

6th of 825/11/25Ballarat390m30:22.9861.1 km/h8.8L$130:22.360:22.22GR 5$1,530-4

1. Go Me Go

2. Hartland Duke

3. Fire Up Tommy

6th of 821/11/25Healesville300m70:17.5561.5 km/h9.8L$6.000:16.900:16.90GR 5$1,530-11

1. Kiani Star

2. Down South Girl

3. Sidewinder

10
  • Shima Sunset (10) 7557473284
  • Trainer: Russell Edwards (Devon Meadows)
  • Prize Money: $9,700
  • Win / Place: 9.68% / 29%

2 yo RED/FWN D

Sire: FERNANDO BALE (AUS)

Dam: SHIMA GLOW (AUS)

Racing and Sports - Trusted form provider for 20+ years95

Rating

Stats
Career
62: 6-8-4
Track
17: 3-2-2
Trk/Dst
14: 3-2-2
Distance
21: 3-3-2
Season
21: 0-2-1
Metro
2: 0-0-0
Country
60: 6-8-4
1st Up
1: 0-0-0
2nd Up
1: 0-0-0
Winning Distances
<400400+500+600+700+
33000
Box History12345678
STARTS6756127145
1st11102001
2nd01011140
3rd02010010
Comments
Modest effort last time out when fourth over 425m at Bendigo. Prepared to overlook.
Expected Early Speed:Backmarker
Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceBoxRanAvg. SpeedMarginSPWin TimeBONClassPrizePrize WonDaysResult
4th of 84/2/26Bendigo425m60:24.7361.9 km/h4.5L$260:24.430:23.98Rank Limit - Grade 5$1,530$5023

1. Inga Buddy

2. Francesca Rose

3. Frank Grimes

8th of 812/1/26Geelong400m50:23.8160.5 km/h16.7L$810:22.640:22.64Rank Limit - Grade 5$1,530-4

1. Highway Hooligan

2. Fred The Fox

3. King Bruno

2nd of 78/1/26Warrnambool390m20:22.8261.5 km/h2.3L$5.000:22.670:22.29Bottom Up - Grade 5$1,530$3208

1. Aston Breeze

2. Shima Sunset

3. Solar Toby

3rd of 731/12/25Bendigo425m40:24.8261.6 km/h5.7L$260:24.420:24.33Bottom Up - Grade 5$1,530$1604

1. Jed's Memory

2. Olympic History

3. Shima Sunset

7th of 827/12/25Warragul400m10:23.7960.5 km/h9.0L$7.000:23.200:22.83GR 5$1,530-7

1. Blame Esmeralda

2. Locked And Ready

3. Geoff's Bomber

4th of 720/12/25Shepparton390m30:22.6761.9 km/h2.0L$8.000:22.540:22.12GR 5$1,530$5012

1. Borough Bound

2. Boy

3. Scott Lil Diva

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