Parx Racing Race 3

6F Stakes

Prize Money: $39,943

MO SAYS (4) reunites with Ricardo Chiappe after scoring with ease over 1308m at this track (Dirt) last time. Has the pace to settle in the leading division. Sure to be in the finish. CAP STEAK ROBBERY (1) is a progressive type still in first campaign but off to a great start to career. Already a two time winner including last start when scoring by 1.5 lengths over 1308m at this track (Dirt). Races well here and looks a definite danger again. HUGGY (6) turned in a nice effort to score two runs ago at this track. Couldn't follow that up last time out when second over 1308m at this track, beaten 11 lengths after being in the firing line on the turn. Likely improver with strong prospects. ALL AMERICAN ROD (5) turned in a nice run when fresh from a spell two starts back at this track then missed the placings last time when 12 lengths from the winner in eighth over 1308m at this track (Dirt). Better placed this time and can feature.
  • Distance: 1207m
  • Track: Good
  • Weather: -
  • Surface: Dirt
  • Class: OCLM
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1Martin Thompson
  • Cap Steak Robbery (1) 13221
  • Trainer: Martin Thompson()
  • Jockey: Patrick Henry, Jr.
  • Weight: 56.5kg
  • Prize Money: $52,819
  • Win / Place: 40% / 100%

4 yo Chestnut Gelding

Sire: INSTAGRAND (USA)

Dam: INTERLACE (USA)

Dam's Sire: Declaration Of War

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Rating

Stats
Career
5: 2-2-1
Distance
2: 0-1-1
Trk/Dst
2: 0-1-1
Track
5: 2-2-1
Season
1: 1-0-0
1st Up
1: 1-0-0
2nd Up
1: 0-0-1
3rd Up
1: 0-1-0
4th Up
1: 0-1-0
Metro
5: 2-2-1
Dirt
5: 2-2-1
Anti-Clockwise
5: 2-2-1
Jockey Stats
Horse
1: 1-0-0
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Distance Range Last 6 months

1207m - 1308m

Comments
Racing well recently. Returns from a 34-day let-up. At the latest run won by 1.5 len at this track January 6 over 1308m defeating Honor Mags with 56.5kg at $7.60. The run before that 2nd of 7 at this track on November 17 over 1308m, 1.75 len behind Southern Dream with 55.5kg at $4.70. Ideally placed to make it two on the trot.

Expected Settling Position: Midfield

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
1st of 86/1/26Parx1308mHCP 4U6Patrick Jr Henry56.5kgFast1:20.8358.3 km/h1.5L2-1$7.6050$37,369$22,422

1. Cap Steak Robbery

2. Honor Mags

3. Punch It Margaret

50 Day Freshen-Up
2nd of 717/11/25Parx1308mHCP 3U2Joezer Rangel55.5kgFast1:20.2858.7 km/h1.8L5-2$4.7026$38,168$7,634

1. Southern Dream

2. Cap Steak Robbery

3. Extrasexymcsteemee

2nd of 722/10/25Parx1207mHCP 3U6Joezer Rangel55.5kgFast1:13.0959.4 km/h2.3L4-3$3250$38,052$7,610

1. Ortho Star

2. Cap Steak Robbery

3. Southern Dream

50 Day Freshen-Up
3rd of 92/9/25Parx1207mCLM 3U3Joezer Rangel54kgFast1:11.7760.5 km/h4.3L5-2$1548$32,110$3,532

1. Solo In Paris

2. One Last Kiss

3. Cap Steak Robbery

48 Day Freshen-Up
1st of 516/7/25Parx1408mMDN CLM 3U4Joezer Rangel54.5kgFast1:26.7758.4 km/h0.1L3-2$3.60-$29,052$11,621

1. Cap Steak Robbery, Celestial Dark

2.

3. Union Purrfection

2G Preciado
  • Possum (2) 85235413x5
  • Trainer: G Preciado(USA)
  • Jockey: Julio Hernandez
  • Weight: 56.5kg
  • Prize Money: $98,692
  • Win / Place: 12% / 37%

4 yo Grey/Roan Gelding

Sire: KANTHAROS (USA)

Dam: ROAMING (USA)

Dam's Sire: Quality Road

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Rating

Stats
Career
16: 2-2-2
Distance
1: 1-0-0
Trk/Dst
1: 1-0-0
Track
8: 2-0-2
Season
1: 0-0-0
1st Up
2: 0-0-0
2nd Up
1: 0-0-0
3rd Up
1: 0-0-0
4th Up
1: 1-0-0
Metro
16: 2-2-2
Turf
2: 0-0-0
Synthetic
2: 0-1-0
Dirt
12: 2-1-2
Fast
2: 0-0-0
Anti-Clockwise
16: 2-2-2
Jockey Stats
Horse
4: 1-0-1
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Distance Range Last 6 months

1308m - 1609m

Comments
Second-up. First-up after two months 5th of 7 at this track on January 13 over 1308m, 16 len behind Shadow Surge with 56.5kg at $13. Previously second-up 4th of 7 at this track on September 10 2024 over 1106m, 10 len behind Right Wing Runner with 55.5kg at $4.20. Needs more time.

Expected Settling Position: Midfield

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
5th of 713/1/26Parx1308mHCP 4U7Julio A Hernandez56.5kgFast1:16.2161.8 km/h16.4L1-6$1370$41,854$1,256

1. Shadow Surge

2. Huggy

3. Big Z Og

70 Day Spell
3rd of 74/11/25Parx1308mHCP 3U2Julio A Hernandez55.5kgFast1:19.8659.0 km/h5.5L7-4$2.3029$42,748$4,702

1. Face The Facts

2. A Votre Sante

3. Possum

1st of 96/10/25Parx1308mHCP 3U1Julio A Hernandez53.5kgFast1:17.9760.4 km/h0.8L8-2$4.4054$42,813$25,688

1. Possum

2. Quiet Appeal

3. Trotsky

54 Day Freshen-Up
4th of 413/8/25Delaware Park1609mCLM 3U1Julio A Hernandez53.5kgFast1:40.0557.9 km/h7.5L2-4$4.3035$51,163$2,558

1. Hey Big Un

2. Preacha Meyers

3. Top Blood

35 Day Freshen-Up
5th of 79/7/25Parx1609mALLOW OCLM 36F Pennington54kgFast1:38.1559.0 km/h12.0L7-6$1351$76,453$2,294

1. Light Forever

2. Urban Symphony

3. Fenton Forever

51 Day Freshen-Up
3rd of 619/5/25Parx1673mALLOW OCLM 36Eliseo Ruiz54kgFast1:43.6558.1 km/h13.3L4-3$1352$78,125$8,594

1. Light Forever

2. Mr Bogan

3. Possum

52 Day Freshen-Up
3Uriah St Lewis
  • Friday Surprise (3) 15q4306123
  • Trainer: Uriah St Lewis()
  • Jockey: Ajhari Williams
  • Weight: 56.5kg
  • Prize Money: $172,070
  • Win / Place: 14% / 57%

4 yo Bay Horse

Sire: KING FOR A DAY (USA)

Dam: ROSE AGAIN (USA)

Dam's Sire: Curlin

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Rating

Stats
Career
14: 2-4-2
Distance
8: 2-2-0
Trk/Dst
6: 2-1-0
Track
10: 2-2-2
Season
1: 0-0-1
1st Up
2: 0-1-0
2nd Up
2: 1-1-0
3rd Up
2: 0-1-0
4th Up
1: 0-0-0
Metro
14: 2-4-2
Dirt
14: 2-4-2
Anti-Clockwise
14: 2-4-2
Jockey Stats
Horse
6: 1-1-1
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Distance Range Last 6 months

1207m - 1308m

Comments
Recent form sound. Comes here off a 33-day let-up. At the latest run held ground to the line 3rd of 8 at this track on January 7 over 1308m, 5 len behind A Votre Sante carrying 56.5kg at $2.90. Before that tried to lead throughout but was claimed late 2nd of 11 at this track on December 23 over 1207m, 0.5 len behind Okie Den Den carrying 55.5kg at $5.10. Among the winning hopes on best form.

Expected Settling Position: Pace

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
3rd of 87/1/26Parx1308mHCP 4U4Ajhari Williams56.5kgFast1:19.7459.1 km/h4.8L4-1$2.90f15$38,864$4,275

1. A Votre Sante

2. Solo In Paris

3. Friday Surprise

2nd of 1123/12/25Parx1207mHCP 3U9Ajhari Williams55.5kgFast1:11.9960.4 km/h0.5L1-1$5.1041$39,816$7,963

1. Okie Den Den

2. Friday Surprise

3. A Votre Sante

41 Day Freshen-Up
1st of 1012/11/25Parx1207mCLM 3U1Francisco Martinez54kgFast1:11.7560.6 km/h6.3L1-1$2.70f16$35,115$21,069

1. Friday Surprise

2. Booted Up

3. Backtrack

6th of 627/10/25Parx1207mHCP 3U5Yan Rodriguez51.5kgFast1:11.7760.5 km/h6.5L4-6$6.3037$42,618$624

1. Wiffleball

2. Lex

3. Reelin N Dealin

37 Day Freshen-Up
10th of 1020/9/25Parx1207mG2 OPEN 39Francisco Martinez54.5kgFast1:08.7763.2 km/h18.6L4-10$21133$611,621$11,468

1. Mad House

2. Gateskeeper

3. Fire Pit

33 Day Freshen-Up
3rd of 818/8/25Parx1308mLR OPEN 34Francisco Martinez55kgM1:16.3061.7 km/h10.8L2-4$5831$116,279$6,558

1. Retribution

2. Fire Pit

3. Friday Surprise

31 Day Freshen-Up
4Bruce M Kravets
  • Mo Says (4) 31251
  • Trainer: Bruce M Kravets(USA)
  • Jockey: Ricardo Chiappe
  • Weight: 56.5kg
  • Prize Money: $79,959
  • Win / Place: 40% / 80%

4 yo Bay Gelding

Sire: MO TOWN (USA)

Dam: RESTLESS ANGEL (USA)

Dam's Sire: Fusaichi Pegasus

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Rating

Stats
Career
5: 2-1-1
Distance
4: 1-1-1
Track
1: 1-0-0
Season
1: 1-0-0
1st Up
1: 0-0-1
2nd Up
1: 1-0-0
3rd Up
1: 0-1-0
4th Up
1: 0-0-0
Metro
1: 1-0-0
Non-Metro
4: 1-1-1
Dirt
5: 2-1-1
Anti-Clockwise
5: 2-1-1
Jockey Stats
Horse
3: 1-1-0
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Distance Range Last 6 months

1207m - 1308m

Comments
Returns from a 33-day let-up. At the latest run scored a big 5.5 len win at this track January 7 over 1308m defeating The Chalk carrying 56.5kg at $9.30. Before that settled back and ran on when 5th of 7 at Penn National on November 26 over 1207m, 10 len behind I Don't See Colors with 54.5kg at $8.60. Ideally placed to make it two on the trot.

Expected Settling Position: Off Pace

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
1st of 87/1/26Parx1308mHCP 4U2Ricardo Chiappe56.5kgFast1:19.0559.6 km/h5.5L1-1$9.3042$41,854$35,157

1. Mo Says

2. The Chalk

3. Captain Fancy

42 Day Freshen-Up
5th of 726/11/25Penn National1207mALLOW 3U3Ricardo Chiappe54.5kgSP1:11.3760.9 km/h10.8L6-4$8.6028$53,435$1,603

1. I Don't See Colors

2. Severn Run

3. Ninja Prize

2nd of 729/10/25Penn National1207mALLOW 3U1Ricardo Chiappe55kgFast1:09.7162.3 km/h1.5L5-1$2835$53,272$13,318

1. Brother Rice

2. Mo Says

3. Bermuda Run

35 Day Freshen-Up
1st of 624/9/25Penn National1207mMDN CLM 3U2Jomar Torres56kgFast1:11.5860.7 km/h0.8L1-2$3.1048$32,110$24,083

1. Mo Says

2. Showtime Matinee

3. Data Warrior

48 Day Freshen-Up
3rd of 67/8/25Penn National1207mMDN 3U3Jomar Torres55.5kgFast1:10.4661.7 km/h12.3L6-3$3.00-$52,713$5,798

1. Quasi Warrior

2. Jester Sang

3. Mo Says

5Robert Mosco
  • All American Rod (5) 4644044x28
  • Trainer: Robert Mosco()
  • Jockey: Francisco Martinez
  • Weight: 54.5kg
  • Prize Money: $143,088
  • Win / Place: 15% / 30%

5 yo Dark Bay/Brown Gelding

Sire: RIMROD (USA)

Dam: ALL AMERICAN BLOND (USA)

Dam's Sire: Quiet American

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Rating

Stats
Career
13: 2-2-0
Distance
6: 1-2-0
Trk/Dst
6: 1-2-0
Track
13: 2-2-0
Season
1: 0-0-0
1st Up
3: 1-1-0
2nd Up
3: 1-1-0
3rd Up
1: 0-0-0
4th Up
1: 0-0-0
Metro
13: 2-2-0
Dirt
13: 2-2-0
Anti-Clockwise
13: 2-2-0
Jockey Stats
Horse
2: 0-1-0
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Distance Range Last 6 months

1207m - 1308m

Comments
Third-up today. Resuming 2nd in a small field at this track on December 3 over 1207m, 1.75 len behind I Feelucky Tonite with 55.5kg at $5.70. Second run from a spell 8th of 10 at this track on January 6 over 1308m, 12 len behind Quasi Warrior with 55.5kg at $27.80. Can do a lot better than that last run.

Expected Settling Position: Off Midfield

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
8th of 106/1/26Parx1308mALLOW OCLM 410Francisco Martinez55.5kgFast1:18.6159.9 km/h12.1L4-8$2834$74,738$613

1. Quasi Warrior

2. Harp's Hot Corner

3. Countthebrave

34 Day Freshen-Up
2nd of 63/12/25Parx1207mALLOW OCLM 34Francisco Martinez55.5kgGood1:11.8460.5 km/h1.8L6-4$5.70189$76,570$21,440

1. I Feelucky Tonite

2. All American Rod

3. Sunday Spirit

189 Day Spell
4th of 428/5/25Parx1308mALLOW OCLM 32Mychel J Sanchez55.5kgSP1:17.4960.8 km/h7.8L4-3$5.4025$78,125$4,688

1. Liberty Star

2. Grahmalamadingdong

3. Roan Burgundy

4th of 63/5/25Parx1673mALLOW OCLM 34Eliseo Ruiz55.5kgFast1:42.5358.7 km/h16.0L4-3$7.0012$78,125$4,688

1. Supreme Law

2. Awesome Flay

3. Supreme Being

10th of 1021/4/25Parx1207mALLOW OCLM 31Eliseo Ruiz55.5kgFast1:11.4260.8 km/h9.2L7-9$1126$79,872$655

1. Latta

2. Awesome Flay

3. Factor U And Me In

4th of 826/3/25Parx1308mALLOW OCLM 43Eliseo Ruiz55.5kgFast1:18.2960.1 km/h9.5L8-4$5.7042$79,239$4,754

1. Big Boys Answer

2. Catty's Uncle

3. Respirator

42 Day Freshen-Up
6Robert E Reid, Jnr
  • Huggy (6) 430x468312
  • Trainer: Robert E Reid, Jnr()
  • Jockey: Mychel Sanchez
  • Weight: 56.5kg
  • Prize Money: $104,695
  • Win / Place: 18% / 45%

4 yo Dark Bay/Brown Gelding

Sire: CENTRAL BANKER (USA)

Dam: HUG DOC (USA)

Dam's Sire: Medaglia D'oro

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Rating

Stats
Career
11: 2-1-2
Distance
3: 1-0-0
Trk/Dst
3: 1-0-0
Track
8: 2-1-2
Season
1: 0-1-0
1st Up
2: 1-0-0
2nd Up
2: 0-0-0
3rd Up
2: 0-0-0
4th Up
2: 0-0-2
Metro
11: 2-1-2
Turf
2: 0-0-0
Dirt
9: 2-1-2
Fast
2: 0-0-0
Firm
1: 0-0-0
Anti-Clockwise
11: 2-1-2
Jockey Stats
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Distance Range Last 6 months

1106m - 1408m

Comments
Recent form sound. Last start sat on the speed and boxed on steadily 2nd of 7 at this track on January 13 over 1308m, 11 len behind Shadow Surge with 54.5kg at $4.50. The run before that ran on from midfield and won by 1.75 len at this track December 8 over 1308m defeating Tavern Time carrying 53kg at $3.30. Best form should see him measure right up.

Expected Settling Position: Midfield

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
2nd of 713/1/26Parx1308mHCP 4U6Yan Rodriguez54.5kgFast1:16.2161.8 km/h11.0L2-3$4.5036$41,854$8,371

1. Shadow Surge

2. Huggy

3. Big Z Og

36 Day Freshen-Up
1st of 68/12/25Parx1308mHCP 3U6Yan Rodriguez53kgFast1:19.6559.1 km/h1.8L3-1$3.3020$42,879$25,727

1. Huggy

2. Tavern Time

3. Coalville

- of 518/11/25Parx1308mHCP 3U2Yan Rodriguez52kgFast1:18.8159.7 km/h1.5L4-1$4.5030$42,748$4,702

1. Lex

2. Quiet Appeal

3. Huggy

8th of 919/10/25Laurel Park1106mCLM 3U6Angel Cruz56kgFM1:02.7363.5 km/h9.1L6-8$1329$63,166$761

1. Luca Machine

2. Firmantown

3. Built By Khozan

6th of 1020/9/25Parx1408mALLOW OCLM 37Eliseo Ruiz54kgFast1:23.6060.6 km/h8.6L5-7$3031$152,905$627

1. Phantom Speed

2. Respirator

3. Tunisian Spring

31 Day Freshen-Up
4th of 620/8/25Parx1207mALLOW OCLM 31Eliseo Ruiz55.5kgFast1:09.5562.5 km/h7.0L6-5$7.1077$65,116$3,907

1. Wax Box

2. Otter Mischief

3. Marvelous Mo

77 Day Spell
7Demasi Kathlee Crook
  • Big Z Og (7) 538126x9x3
  • Trainer: Demasi Kathlee Crook()
  • Jockey: Silvestre Gonzalez
  • Weight: 56.5kg
  • Prize Money: $158,206
  • Win / Place: 12% / 43%

5 yo Dark Bay/Brown Gelding

Sire: STREET SENSE (USA)

Dam: TERFAASHAH (USA)

Dam's Sire: Daaher

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Rating

Stats
Career
16: 2-3-2
Distance
2: 1-0-0
Trk/Dst
2: 1-0-0
Track
5: 1-0-1
Season
1: 0-0-1
1st Up
4: 0-1-1
2nd Up
1: 0-0-0
3rd Up
1: 1-0-0
4th Up
1: 0-0-0
Metro
12: 2-3-1
Non-Metro
4: 0-0-1
Turf
10: 1-2-1
Dirt
6: 1-1-1
Fast
10: 1-2-1
Firm
1: 1-0-0
Anti-Clockwise
16: 2-3-2
Jockey Stats
Horse
6: 1-1-1
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Distance Range Last 6 months

1106m - 1308m

Comments
Having second run back today. Last outing 3rd of 7 at this track on January 13 over 1308m, 11 len behind Shadow Surge with 54.5kg at $9.90. At only start last preparation second last of 10 at Laurel on October 26 over 1207m, 3.5 len behind Saxton carrying 56kg at $22.30. This will test.

Expected Settling Position: Off Pace

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
3rd of 713/1/26Parx1308mHCP 4U5Silvestre Gonzalez54.5kgFast1:16.2161.8 km/h11.1L4-2$9.9079$41,854$4,604

1. Shadow Surge

2. Huggy

3. Big Z Og

79 Day Spell
9th of 1026/10/25Laurel Park1207mALLOW OCLM 35Jg Torrealba56kgFM1:09.5462.5 km/h3.4L3-8$2264$83,714$761

1. Saxton

2. Mister Lincoln

3. Skyloft

64 Day Spell
6th of 823/8/25Monmouth Park1106mALLOW OCLM 33Sonny Leon55kgFM1:03.9162.3 km/h5.8L4-7$8.3036$81,667$1,085

1. Gold Trust

2. Speed Figures

3. Uncle Dar

36 Day Freshen-Up
2nd of 718/7/25Monmouth Park1106mALLOW OCLM 32Sonny Leon55.5kgFM1:03.4462.8 km/h1.5L4-2$8.9053$80,275$16,055

1. Quick Tempo

2. Big Z Og

3. Outlaw Country

53 Day Freshen-Up
1st of 826/5/25Monmouth Park1006mALLOW 3U8Sonny Leon55kgFM0:57.0463.5 km/h0.1L1-3$4.7037$78,594$46,875

1. Big Z Og

2. Jungle Glow

3. Fadethenoise

37 Day Freshen-Up
8th of 1019/4/25Tampa Bay Downs1609mALLOW 4U10J Ferrer53.5kgFM1:35.2260.8 km/h7.0L5-6$2114$84,665$519

1. Eddie The Great

2. Noble Factor

3. Kansas Cat

Race Review Abbreviations

3WNC: Three wide no cover, Awk: Awkwardly away, Bk: Back, Blkd: Blocked, Btld: Battled, Chal: Challenged, Chkd: Checked, Cvr: Cover, Fdd: Faded, Fght: Fought, Fin: Finish, Hdd: Headed, Hld up: Held up, Hmprd: Hampered, Hndy: Handy, Kikd: Kicked, Kn: Keen, Ld: Led/Lead, Midf: Midfield, Mod pc: Moderate pace, Otf: On the Fence, ROS: Ran on strongly, Slow: Slow away, Snagd: Snagged, Stld: Settled, Tn: Turn, Trld: Trailed, Under pres: Under pressure, Under rd: Under riding, Urgd: Urged, Wd: Wide, Wdr: Wider, Weavd: Weaved, Wknd: Weakened, Wrkd: Worked

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