Sale Race 7

Ian Carter Builder

Prize Money: $3,340

LAKEVIEW LYNETTE (3) is a promising type who notched her 6th career success when too good (25.56) at Warragul last time. Form here excellent including three wins. Ran the fastest time on the program in her latest win. Can measure up again. WARRIOR ETHAN (1) was safely held last time out, finishing sixth at this track over 640m behind Ascend Geranium (37.31) in a Special conditions race. Was in the money the start prior. One of the main contenders. ELLE GEM (2) had been in super honest form hitting the frame three times on end before finishing fourth (26.63) at Warragul last time. Solid formlines coming through her last run. Can figure in the finish. ANGRY CHIEF (5) scored with plenty to spare last time. That form reads well.
  • Distance: 510m
  • Class: Grade 5
  • Track: Good
  • Weather: Cloudy
  • Surface: All Weather
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1
  • Warrior Ethan (1) 2726565126
  • Trainer: Cindy Fulford (Maffra)
  • Prize Money: $20,380
  • Win / Place: 11% / 43%

3 yo Black D

Sire: ASTON RUPEE (AUS)

Dam: DIAMOND BANNER (AUS)

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Rating

Stats
Career
60: 7-10-9
Track
44: 7-8-9
Trk/Dst
27: 7-3-6
Distance
27: 7-3-6
Season
19: 1-5-2
Metro
2: 0-0-0
Country
58: 7-10-9
1st Up
1: 0-0-0
2nd Up
1: 0-1-0
Winning Distances
<400400+500+600+700+
00700
Box History12345678
STARTS997841076
1st00310210
2nd21021121
3rd12012021
Comments
Was a winner three back at this track then finished in the minors before missing the frame last time when sixth (37.31) at this track. Expected to feature on best form.
Expected Early Speed:Midfield
Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceBoxRanAvg. SpeedMarginSPWin TimeBONClassPrizePrize WonDaysResult
6th of 71/2/26Sale640m70:37.3161.8 km/h10.8L$210:36.600:36.60SPEC$4,450-7

1. Ascend Geranium

2. Engelke Road

3. Best For Last

2nd of 825/1/26Sale510m50:28.6964.0 km/h2.3L$7.000:28.540:28.47GR 5$3,340$6904

1. Bo Rhapsody

2. Warrior Ethan

3. Elle Gem

1st of 721/1/26Sale510m60:28.7064.0 km/h5.3L$3.500:28.700:28.70Rank Limit - Grade 5$1,740$1,1503

1. Warrior Ethan

2. Elle Gem

3. Lakeview Kim

5th of 818/1/26Sale510m20:29.0063.3 km/h6.5L$510:28.580:28.58GR 4/5$3,880-15

1. Mr. Thomas

2. Woodside Vixen

3. Grab The Gold

6th of 73/1/26Sale510m30:29.1862.9 km/h9.0L$810:28.590:28.59SPEC$10,880-11

1. Feikuai Calvin

2. Bandit Barbie

3. Joey

5th of 523/12/25Warragul680m20:40.2660.8 km/h10.8L$5.000:39.550:39.55SPEC$4,450-8

1. Darnum Duke

2. Rapido Spirit

3. Flying Tatum

2
  • Elle Gem (2) 8811683234
  • Trainer: Lesley Russell (Sale)
  • Prize Money: $26,555
  • Win / Place: 11% / 47%

4 yo Black B

Sire: ASTON DEE BEE (AUS)

Dam: MADALIA MAGGIE (AUS)

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Rating

Stats
Career
80: 9-16-13
Track
65: 8-12-12
Trk/Dst
52: 6-10-12
Distance
52: 6-10-12
Season
20: 3-1-4
Country
80: 9-16-13
1st Up
1: 0-0-0
2nd Up
1: 0-1-0
Winning Distances
<400400+500+600+700+
03600
Box History12345678
STARTS111279139136
1st14002011
2nd22021441
3rd21231121
Comments
Missed the frame latest (26.63) when fourth over 460m at Warragul in a Rank Limit - Grade 5. Has four successes and three minors from 12 starts from box 2. Has ability and looks a key chance.
Expected Early Speed:Backmarker
Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceBoxRanAvg. SpeedMarginSPWin TimeBONClassPrizePrize WonDaysResult
4th of 829/1/26Warragul460m20:26.6362.2 km/h10.3L$8.500:25.950:25.95Rank Limit - Grade 5$1,530$504

1. Sudoku Carmello

2. Weird Karen

3. Mighty Heighty

3rd of 825/1/26Sale510m10:28.8963.6 km/h5.3L$200:28.540:28.47GR 5$3,340$3454

1. Bo Rhapsody

2. Warrior Ethan

3. Elle Gem

2nd of 721/1/26Sale510m80:29.0863.1 km/h5.3L$7.500:28.700:28.70Rank Limit - Grade 5$1,740$3607

1. Warrior Ethan

2. Elle Gem

3. Lakeview Kim

3rd of 614/1/26Sale510m50:29.1663.0 km/h3.3L$7.500:28.950:28.95GR 5$1,740$1803

1. Lakeview Kim

2. Mr. President

3. Elle Gem

8th of 811/1/26Sale510m10:29.3562.6 km/h5.5L$460:29.000:28.65GR 5 H$3,340-21

1. Sweet Trilby

2. Jumbuk Damien

3. Aston Rayner

6th of 821/12/25Sale510m30:29.7661.7 km/h6.8L$9.000:29.320:29.32GR 4/5$3,880-11

1. Aston Eleni

2. Joey

3. Bandit Barbie

3
  • Lakeview Lynette (3) 1212132421
  • Trainer: Harley Whelan (Metung)
  • Prize Money: $20,990
  • Win / Place: 37% / 75%
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2 yo BDL B

Sire: LAKEVIEW WALTER (AUS)

Dam: SHE'S A BLAZIN' (AUS)

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Rating

Stats
Career
16: 6-5-1
Track
5: 3-1-0
Trk/Dst
1: 1-0-0
Distance
1: 1-0-0
Season
16: 6-5-1
Metro
7: 1-2-1
Country
9: 5-3-0
1st Up
1: 0-0-0
2nd Up
1: 1-0-0
Winning Distances
<400400+500+600+700+
04200
Box History12345678
STARTS12312511
1st11101200
2nd00110210
3rd01000000
Comments
Charged out of the boxes with a strong early split and went straight to the front, scoring an all the way win (25.56) over 460m at Warragul. Has hit winning form and can go on with it.
Expected Early Speed:Midfield
Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceBoxRanAvg. SpeedMarginSPWin TimeBONClassPrizePrize WonDaysResult
1st of 73/2/26Warragul460m30:25.5664.8 km/h5.5L$2.600:25.560:25.56GR 4/5$3,360$2,2505

1. Lakeview Lynette

2. Flying Batty

3. Idyllic James

2nd of 729/1/26Sandown515m60:29.3863.1 km/h0.9L$2.900:29.310:29.31GR 5$8,790$1,8207

1. Amron Toy

2. Lakeview Lynette

3. Warm Hugs

4th of 722/1/26Sandown515m80:29.6562.5 km/h3.8L$120:29.410:29.23GR 5$8,790$1505

1. Tim Zoo

2. Cleo's Star

3. Spicy La Vida

2nd of 717/1/26The Meadows525m30:30.2162.6 km/h1.8L$3.700:30.100:29.65GR 5$8,790$1,8209

1. Manager

2. Lakeview Lynette

3. Viking Ruler

3rd of 58/1/26Sandown515m20:29.7662.3 km/h2.3L$2.700:29.610:29.14GR 5$8,790$9155

1. Morning Boss

2. Caly Jet

3. Lakeview Lynette

1st of 83/1/26Sale435m20:24.3464.3 km/h4.3L$7.000:24.340:24.10R/A FIN$7,330$5,0008

1. Lakeview Lynette

2. Petit Cherie

3. Deadly Cool

4
  • Nosey Bluey (4) 1273348362
  • Trainer: Justin Bowman (Kilmany)
  • Prize Money: $20,255
  • Win / Place: 12% / 50%

2 yo BLU D

Sire: BERNARDO (AUS)

Dam: DOUBLE SUPREME (AUS)

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Rating

Stats
Career
40: 5-7-8
Track
16: 3-4-5
Trk/Dst
2: 1-0-0
Distance
2: 1-0-0
Season
15: 1-2-3
Metro
15: 2-3-3
Country
25: 3-4-5
1st Up
2: 0-1-0
2nd Up
2: 0-1-0
Winning Distances
<400400+500+600+700+
02300
Box History12345678
STARTS67660546
1st01000103
2nd11010112
3rd12220010
Comments
Placed last time (24.76) at this track in a Grade 5, finishing second and beaten half a length. Has three placings from six starts from the draw. Tough field and looking to others this time.
Expected Early Speed:Midfield
Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceBoxRanAvg. SpeedMarginSPWin TimeBONClassPrizePrize WonDaysResult
2nd of 81/2/26Sale435m80:24.7663.2 km/h0.5L$3.500:24.730:24.41GR 5$2,930$60014

1. Paw Lauren

2. Nosey Bluey

3. Dr. Charlotte

6th of 818/1/26Sale510m30:29.0263.3 km/h6.8L$140:28.580:28.58GR 4/5$3,880-7

1. Mr. Thomas

2. Woodside Vixen

3. Grab The Gold

3rd of 811/1/26Sale435m40:24.9062.9 km/h5.0L$5.500:24.560:24.27GR 5$2,930$3009

1. Nobby

2. Sassy Gal

3. Daintree Spirit, Nosey Bluey

8th of 82/1/26Warragul460m40:26.8061.8 km/h10.8L$5.500:26.090:25.16GR 5$2,930-7

1. Go Boy

2. Elswyk Sid

3. Magic Loki

4th of 826/12/25Sale435m60:24.6963.4 km/h3.8L$160:24.450:24.10GR 5$2,930$755

1. Unleash The Lion

2. Hay Riley

3. Feikuai Calvin

3rd of 821/12/25Sale435m20:24.7363.3 km/h0.8L$100:24.680:24.41GR 5$2,930$3007

1. Petit Cherie

2. Mighty Scar

3. Nosey Bluey

5
  • Angry Chief (5) 7833333271
  • Trainer: Stephen Brincat (Albanvale)
  • Prize Money: $39,020
  • Win / Place: 19% / 53%

2 yo BLU/FWN D

Sire: ASTON RUPEE (AUS)

Dam: EMMY'S SHARK (AUS)

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Rating

Stats
Career
66: 13-10-12
Season
28: 3-3-9
Metro
11: 1-1-4
Country
55: 12-9-8
1st Up
1: 0-0-1
2nd Up
1: 1-0-0
Winning Distances
<400400+500+600+700+
19300
Box History12345678
STARTS96115108710
1st40123030
2nd01211122
3rd04100115
Comments
Started big odds last time but hit the ground running with a sensational early split, paving the way for a 3 length win at Bendigo over 500m in 28.17. Expected to run well again.
Expected Early Speed:Front Runner
Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceBoxRanAvg. SpeedMarginSPWin TimeBONClassPrizePrize WonDaysResult
1st of 630/1/26Bendigo500m70:28.1763.9 km/h2.9L$9.000:28.170:27.97GR 4$3,880$2,6008

1. Angry Chief

2. Winter Goes

3. Neo Devere

7th of 722/1/26Sandown515m40:30.3861.0 km/h9.0L$9.500:29.790:29.23GR 5$8,790-7

1. Obscurus

2. Ian Albert

3. Dr. Fanatical

2nd of 815/1/26Sandown515m80:29.9062.0 km/h1.3L$5.500:29.830:29.29GR 5$8,790$1,8205

1. Aston Hercules

2. Angry Chief

3. Bounding Chief

3rd of 810/1/26The Meadows525m80:30.6361.7 km/h10.5L$170:29.930:29.58GR 5 FIN$9,060$9356

1. Ralph Wiggum

2. Aston Trust

3. Angry Chief

3rd of 74/1/26Horsham485m80:27.5463.4 km/h5.1L$120:27.180:26.80GR 5 H$3,340$3454

1. Paw Tonk

2. Aston Trust

3. Angry Chief

3rd of 731/12/25The Meadows525m80:30.4662.0 km/h1.8L$3.00f0:30.360:29.57GR 5$3,340$3457

1. Spicy Seduction

2. Lochinvar Nugget

3. Angry Chief

6
  • Fantastic Zohan (6) 4144f34235
  • Trainer: Brian Alford (Yarram)
  • Prize Money: $16,275
  • Win / Place: 24% / 48%

3 yo Black D

Sire: ASTON RUPEE (AUS)

Dam: FANTASTIC FLOSSY (AUS)

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Rating

Stats
Career
33: 8-3-5
Track
15: 3-1-2
Season
15: 1-2-3
Country
33: 8-3-5
1st Up
3: 1-0-0
2nd Up
3: 2-0-0
Winning Distances
<400400+500+600+700+
17000
Box History12345678
STARTS73174344
1st20011112
2nd00001110
3rd31010000
Comments
Missed the frame last time but was in the minors two on end prior to that, the most recent when third (24.56) over 435m at this track. Drawn out wide and will need to find best.
Expected Early Speed:Backmarker
Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceBoxRanAvg. SpeedMarginSPWin TimeBONClassPrizePrize WonDaysResult
5th of 81/2/26Sale435m60:24.8962.9 km/h3.3L$6.500:24.680:24.41GR 5$2,930-7

1. Paw Mantra

2. Check It Out

3. Dr. Azure

3rd of 825/1/26Sale435m10:24.5663.8 km/h1.3L$3.900:24.480:24.20GR 4/5$3,360$3457

1. Go Stevie

2. Dr. Buck

3. Fantastic Zohan

2nd of 818/1/26Sale435m50:24.7363.3 km/h0.1L$5.500:24.720:24.28GR 5$2,930$60042

1. Hay Riley

2. Fantastic Zohan

3. Top Kade

42 Day Freshen-Up
4th of 87/12/25Sale435m30:24.8663.0 km/h5.0L$4.600:24.530:24.06GR 5$2,930$757

1. Why Not Zach

2. Despicable Andy

3. Hammer Rose

3rd of 830/11/25Sale435m40:24.8063.1 km/h1.8L$9.000:24.700:24.21GR 5$2,930$3007

1. Always Share

2. Hay Riley

3. Fantastic Zohan

- of 823/11/25Sale435m70:31.9849.0 km/h99.0L$7.000:25.050:24.39GR 4/5$3,360-7

1. Whipping It

2. Dr. Buck

3. Ignatius Rose

7
  • Woodside Vixen (7) 8118464123
  • Trainer: Margaret Read (Woodside)
  • Prize Money: $13,260
  • Win / Place: 15% / 55%

2 yo FWN B

Sire: BARCIA BLUE BOY (AUS)

Dam: BOMBER'S WONDER (AUS)

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Rating

Stats
Career
38: 6-5-10
Track
23: 4-5-4
Trk/Dst
12: 2-2-2
Distance
12: 2-2-2
Season
19: 4-2-4
Metro
4: 0-0-1
Country
34: 6-5-9
1st Up
1: 0-0-0
2nd Up
1: 0-0-0
Winning Distances
<400400+500+600+700+
04200
Box History12345678
STARTS62562548
1st10100202
2nd00010121
3rd31220101
Comments
Form has been good with a placing two starts ago and a win three runs back. Last time out finished 3rd over 510m at this track beaten 11 lengths (29.19) behind Overland Boy in a Grade 4/5 on January 25. Thereabouts at her last couple and is capable of better.
Expected Early Speed:Midfield
Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceBoxRanAvg. SpeedMarginSPWin TimeBONClassPrizePrize WonDaysResult
3rd of 825/1/26Sale510m10:29.1962.9 km/h11.0L$9.500:28.470:28.47GR 4/5$3,880$4007

1. Overland Boy

2. Daintree Sniper

3. Woodside Vixen

2nd of 818/1/26Sale510m60:28.8663.6 km/h4.3L$150:28.580:28.58GR 4/5$3,880$80015

1. Mr. Thomas

2. Woodside Vixen

3. Grab The Gold

1st of 83/1/26Sale435m80:24.4764.0 km/h0.8L$100:24.470:24.10GR 4/5$3,360$2,25015

1. Woodside Vixen

2. Go Stevie

3. Bo Rhapsody

4th of 819/12/25Sale510m80:28.8763.6 km/h1.8L$9.000:28.760:28.75GR 5$3,340$755

1. Dr. Bobby

2. Baywara

3. Velox Bale

6th of 814/12/25Sale435m10:25.0662.5 km/h14.8L$210:24.080:24.08GR 5 H$2,930-14

1. Flash Of Genius

2. Aston Boost

3. Why Not Bastion

4th of 730/11/25Sale510m80:29.3162.6 km/h4.0L$160:29.060:28.81GR 4/5$3,880$757

1. Amron Sammy

2. Akina Jack

3. Paw Harry

8
  • Flying Batty (8) 2526434112
  • Trainer: Corey Mackie (Tooradin)
  • Prize Money: $23,040
  • Win / Place: 18% / 65%
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3 yo Black B

Sire: MY REDEEMER (AUS)

Dam: FLYING UNICORN (AUS)

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Rating

Stats
Career
32: 6-9-6
Season
18: 5-5-2
Metro
9: 0-2-3
Country
23: 6-7-3
1st Up
3: 1-1-1
2nd Up
3: 0-0-0
Winning Distances
<400400+500+600+700+
15000
Box History12345678
STARTS71436353
1st10101012
2nd40211100
3rd11022000
Comments
Won two starts back after racing on the pace at Warragul over 460m in 25.85. Followed that up with a minor placing over 460m at Warragul at Grade 4/5 five days ago. Has ability and can run well.
Expected Early Speed:Midfield
Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceBoxRanAvg. SpeedMarginSPWin TimeBONClassPrizePrize WonDaysResult
2nd of 73/2/26Warragul460m10:25.9263.9 km/h5.5L$3.600:25.560:25.56GR 4/5$3,360$6904

1. Lakeview Lynette

2. Flying Batty

3. Idyllic James

1st of 630/1/26Warragul460m80:25.8564.1 km/h3.0L$1.800:25.850:25.23GR 5$2,930$1,9504

1. Flying Batty

2. Aussie Supreme

3. Sassy Gal

1st of 726/1/26Shepparton390m50:22.0063.8 km/h5.7L$5.500:22.000:22.00GR 5$2,930$1,95016

1. Flying Batty

2. Paw Tabitha

3. Lilah Rainbow

4th of 710/1/26Warrnambool390m60:22.2363.2 km/h3.5L$5.500:22.000:21.93GR 5$2,930$7525

1. Cash The Lot

2. Paw Vada

3. Chalk And Cheese

3rd of 516/12/25Warragul460m50:26.0063.7 km/h6.8L$100:25.560:25.56GR 4/5$3,360$3457

1. Dapper Chap

2. Darnum Diesel

3. Flying Batty

4th of 89/12/25Warragul460m50:25.9263.9 km/h1.8L$200:25.800:25.78GR 4/5$3,360$757

1. Paw Leon

2. Parumba Jazzman

3. Carry On Maci

9
  • Nitro Venom (9) 3112676518
  • Trainer: Carolyn Jones (Rosedale)
  • Prize Money: $25,500
  • Win / Place: 25% / 67%

2 yo FWN D

Sire: KOBLENZ (AUS)

Dam: CHEEKY VIXEN (AUS)

Racing and Sports - Trusted form provider for 20+ years87

Rating

Stats
Career
31: 8-8-5
Track
3: 1-0-0
Trk/Dst
1: 0-0-0
Distance
1: 0-0-0
Season
17: 4-4-2
Metro
25: 7-8-5
Country
6: 1-0-0
1st Up
1: 0-0-0
2nd Up
1: 0-0-1
Winning Distances
<400400+500+600+700+
71000
Box History12345678
STARTS24236347
1st12010022
2nd01112102
3rd10001210
Comments
Won two starts back after racing on the pace at this track over 435m in 24.68. Couldn't repeat the feat last time out when eighth over 510m at this track at Grade 4/5 level. Happy to risk in this.
Expected Early Speed:Backmarker
Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceBoxRanAvg. SpeedMarginSPWin TimeBONClassPrizePrize WonDaysResult
8th of 825/1/26Sale510m20:29.8461.5 km/h20.5L$200:28.470:28.47GR 4/5$3,880-7

1. Overland Boy

2. Daintree Sniper

3. Woodside Vixen

1st of 718/1/26Sale435m20:24.6863.5 km/h0.5L$120:24.680:24.28GR 5$2,930$1,9507

1. Nitro Venom

2. Dr. Benedict

3. Trendy Art

5th of 711/1/26Sale435m80:24.7263.3 km/h4.9L$230:24.380:24.27GR 4/5$3,360-12

1. Paw Kramer

2. Somerton Mick

3. Trendy Tommy

6th of 730/12/25Warragul400m50:23.1662.2 km/h9.8L$180:22.520:22.42GR 4/5$3,360-7

1. Paw Tabitha

2. Ian Albert

3. Livin' Lavish

7th of 723/12/25Warragul400m80:23.3061.8 km/h7.6L$360:22.760:22.50GR 4/5$3,360-7

1. Paw Xena

2. Ram Raid

3. Livin' Lavish

6th of 716/12/25Warragul400m30:23.7960.5 km/h16.7L$190:22.630:22.59GR 4/5$3,360-19

1. Feikuai Calvin

2. Brindle Surprise

3. County Kildare

10
  • Magical Paws (10) 7548776616
  • Trainer: Peter Mckenzie (Tinamba)
  • Prize Money: $13,920
  • Win / Place: 8.60% / 21%

3 yo Black/WH B

Sire: AUSSIE INFRARED (AUS)

Dam: QUICK PAWS (AUS)

Racing and Sports - Trusted form provider for 20+ years83

Rating

Stats
Career
93: 8-6-6
Track
77: 8-5-2
Trk/Dst
52: 5-4-1
Distance
52: 5-4-1
Season
22: 2-3-1
Metro
1: 0-0-0
Country
92: 8-6-6
1st Up
1: 0-0-0
2nd Up
1: 0-0-0
Winning Distances
<400400+500+600+700+
03500
Box History12345678
STARTS15131112711167
1st12200030
2nd10120011
3rd31110000
Comments
Got back last start and could only manage sixth but before that won easily by 3.5 lengths at this track (29.27) beating Brindle Chic in a Grade 5 on January 28. Thereabouts last time others preferred this line-up.
Expected Early Speed:Midfield
Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceBoxRanAvg. SpeedMarginSPWin TimeBONClassPrizePrize WonDaysResult
6th of 74/2/26Sale510m10:29.2162.9 km/h3.8L$120:28.980:28.98Rank Limit - Grade 5$1,740-7

1. Jumbuk Bayeh

2. Axel's Radar

3. Brindle Chic

1st of 528/1/26Sale510m20:29.2762.7 km/h3.3L$9.500:29.270:29.27GR 5$1,740$1,15014

1. Magical Paws

2. Brindle Chic

3. Ultimate Lexi

6th of 614/1/26Sale510m80:29.4862.3 km/h8.0L$350:28.950:28.95GR 5$1,740-7

1. Lakeview Kim

2. Mr. President

3. Elle Gem

6th of 87/1/26Sale510m40:29.5862.1 km/h7.3L$410:29.100:29.10GR 5$1,740-28

1. Gusto

2. Ultimate Lexi

3. Buster's Dream

7th of 810/12/25Sale510m60:30.0061.2 km/h12.5L$120:29.170:29.17Bottom Up - Grade 5$1,740-3

1. Elle Gem

2. Dr. Kai

3. Madalia Tipper

7th of 87/12/25Sale510m30:29.7261.8 km/h17.0L$510:28.590:28.34GR 4/5$3,880-4

1. Overland Boy

2. Furious Falcon

3. Ross The Boss

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