Los Alamitos Qh Race 4

Claiming

Prize Money: $17,969

FOR FILLIES AND MARES THREE YEARS OLD AND UPWARD. Three Year Olds, 122 lbs.; Older, 125 lbs. Non-winners Of A Race Since March 17 Allowed 2 lbs. Claiming Price $5,000.
  • Distance: 503m
  • Track: Good
  • Weather: -
  • Surface: Dirt
  • Class: CLM
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1Sergio Morfin
  • Wrong Turn Cupid (1) 4153154212
  • Trainer: Sergio Morfin ()
  • Jockey: Edgar Payeras
  • Weight: 56.5kg
  • Prize Money: $227,989
  • Win / Place: 23% / 57%

7 yo Dark Bay/Brown Mare

Sire: VRONSKY (USA)

Dam: AVENUE OF LOVE (USA)

Dam's Sire: Salt Lake

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Rating

Stats
Career
38: 9-7-6
Distance
19: 4-5-3
Trk/Dst
2: 1-1-0
Track
19: 4-5-3
Season
4: 1-2-0
1st Up
4: 3-0-0
2nd Up
4: 1-0-1
3rd Up
3: 0-1-1
4th Up
3: 0-1-1
Metro
19: 5-2-3
Non-Metro
19: 4-5-3
Turf
4: 1-0-0
Dirt
34: 8-7-6
Fast
4: 1-0-0
Firm
5: 1-0-0
Anti-Clockwise
38: 9-7-6
Jockey Stats
Horse
23: 6-6-3
Last 50
0: 0-0-0
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Distance Range Last 6 months

503m - 1006m

Comments
Form hard to fault. Most recently 2nd of 8 at this track on May 3 over 796m, 1.5 len behind Smiling For Nana with 56.5kg at $3.50. The run before that won by 1.3 len at this track March 30 over 503m defeating Run Auntie T Run with 56.5kg at $3.50.

Expected Settling Position: Leader

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
2nd of 83/5/25Los Alamitos Qh796mCLM FM 3U3Edgar Payeras56.5kgFast0:46.6061.5 km/h1.5L5-1$3.5034$18,750$3,891

1. Smiling For Nana

2. Wrong Turn Cupid

3. Somethingnefarious

34 Day Freshen-Up
1st of 530/3/25Los Alamitos Qh503mCLM FM 3U2Edgar Payeras56.5kgFast0:25.4671.1 km/h1.3L1-1$3.5014$15,055$8,130

1. Wrong Turn Cupid

2. Run Auntie T Run

3. Modera

2nd of 616/3/25Los Alamitos Qh503mCLM FM 3U1Edgar Payeras56kgFast0:25.8370.1 km/h1.0L4-2$4.1049$16,051$3,403

1. Smiling For Nana

2. Wrong Turn Cupid

3. Secret Of War

49 Day Freshen-Up
4th of 626/1/25Los Alamitos Qh914mCLM FM 3U3Edgar Payeras57kgHeavy0:52.5862.6 km/h7.3L2-2$2.10f44$19,355$1,403

1. Tiz The Prospect

2. Rock N Roll Song

3. Real Me

44 Day Freshen-Up
5th of 513/12/24Los Alamitos1006mCLM FM 3U1Edgar Payeras56kgFast0:59.0261.4 km/h6.1L2-3$1.80f12$19,260$770

1. Respect The Crown

2. Dance Kid

3. Queen Of The Track

1st of 61/12/24Los Alamitos Qh914mALLOW FM 3U1Edgar Payeras57kgFast0:53.4161.6 km/h1.5L3-1$3.2022$18,265$9,787

1. Wrong Turn Cupid

2. Falabella

3. Rock N Roll Song

2Jesus Nunez
  • Storm D'oro (2) 1532512x48
  • Trainer: Jesus Nunez (USA)
  • Jockey: Ricardo Ramirez
  • Weight: 56kg
  • Prize Money: $119,491
  • Win / Place: 17% / 41%

5 yo Bay Mare

Sire: GATO DEL ORO (USA)

Dam: SARDONIC (USA)

Dam's Sire: Distorted Humor

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Rating

Stats
Career
29: 5-4-3
Distance
19: 4-4-2
Trk/Dst
6: 2-1-0
Track
19: 4-4-2
Season
2: 0-0-0
1st Up
2: 0-0-1
2nd Up
2: 1-0-0
3rd Up
1: 0-0-0
4th Up
1: 0-0-0
Metro
10: 1-0-1
Non-Metro
19: 4-4-2
Turf
1: 0-0-0
Good
1: 0-0-0
Dirt
28: 5-4-3
Firm
7: 0-0-0
Anti-Clockwise
29: 5-4-3
Jockey Stats
Horse
2: 0-1-0
Last 50
0: 0-0-0
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Distance Range Last 6 months

503m - 796m

Comments
Third-up today. First-up 4th of 7 at this track on April 6 over 503m, 2.25 len behind Vermeer carrying 56kg at $10.70. Second run from a spell ran last of 8 at this track on May 3 over 796m, 10 len behind Smiling For Nana carrying 58kg at $35.

Expected Settling Position: Pace

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
8th of 83/5/25Los Alamitos Qh796mCLM FM 3U7Jose Arana58kgFast0:46.6061.5 km/h10.3L3-7$3527$18,750$469

1. Smiling For Nana

2. Wrong Turn Cupid

3. Somethingnefarious

4th of 76/4/25Los Alamitos Qh503mCLM 3U7Irving Lara56kgFast0:25.7070.5 km/h2.3L1-4$11140$19,169$1,326

1. Vermeer

2. Indian Arrow

3. Heather's Heathen

140 Day Spell
2nd of 617/11/24Los Alamitos Qh503mCLM FM 3U5Edgar Payeras56.5kgFast0:26.8367.5 km/h1.8L4-2$1.70f15$15,221$3,227

1. Modera

2. Storm D'oro

3. Somethingnefarious

1st of 72/11/24Los Alamitos Qh503mCLM FM 3U6Edgar Payeras56kgFast0:25.8870.0 km/h0.1L1-2$8.8034$15,221$7,549

1. Storm D'oro

2. Run Auntie T Run

3. Mean Sharon

34 Day Freshen-Up
5th of 629/9/24Los Alamitos Qh503mCLM FM 3U2Ricardo S Ramirez56kgFast0:26.5668.2 km/h13.8L6-6$3.6021$13,235$588

1. Run Auntie T Run

2. Auntie Bev

3. Blue Butterfly

2nd of 68/9/24Los Alamitos Qh905mCLM FM 3U1Ricardo S Ramirez56kgFast0:52.9561.5 km/h0.3L2-1$4.4014$13,235$2,787

1. Capital Heat

2. Storm D'oro

3. Jaycee

3Charles S Treece
  • Modera (3) 4142112537
  • Trainer: Charles S Treece ()
  • Jockey: Efrain Hernandez
  • Weight: 56kg
  • Prize Money: $120,495
  • Win / Place: 18% / 51%

5 yo Chestnut Mare

Sire: LEA (USA)

Dam: LAWANDA (USA)

Dam's Sire: Pioneering

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Rating

Stats
Career
37: 7-5-7
Distance
24: 6-3-3
Trk/Dst
14: 4-3-2
Track
24: 6-3-3
Season
6: 2-1-1
1st Up
2: 0-0-2
2nd Up
2: 1-0-0
3rd Up
2: 0-0-2
4th Up
2: 0-1-0
Metro
12: 1-2-4
Non-Metro
25: 6-3-3
Turf
1: 0-0-0
Dirt
36: 7-5-7
Fast
1: 0-0-0
Firm
8: 1-1-0
Anti-Clockwise
37: 7-5-7
Jockey Stats
Horse
8: 2-1-1
Last 50
0: 0-0-0
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Distance Range Last 6 months

503m - 796m

Comments
Useful mare. Last start second last of 8 at this track on May 3 over 796m, 9 len behind Smiling For Nana carrying 56.5kg at $13.30. The start before that 3rd in a small field at this track on March 30 over 503m, 1.4 len behind Wrong Turn Cupid carrying 57kg at $3.

Expected Settling Position: Off Pace

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
7th of 83/5/25Los Alamitos Qh796mCLM FM 3U5E Hernandez56.5kgFast0:46.6061.5 km/h9.8L4-8$1334$18,750$469

1. Smiling For Nana

2. Wrong Turn Cupid

3. Somethingnefarious

34 Day Freshen-Up
3rd of 530/3/25Los Alamitos Qh503mCLM FM 3U4E Hernandez57kgFast0:25.4671.1 km/h1.4L4-3$3.0014$15,055$1,854

1. Wrong Turn Cupid

2. Run Auntie T Run

3. Modera

5th of 616/3/25Los Alamitos Qh503mCLM FM 3U2E Hernandez56.5kgFast0:25.8370.1 km/h5.0L6-6$2.50f22$16,051$642

1. Smiling For Nana

2. Wrong Turn Cupid

3. Secret Of War

2nd of 622/2/25Los Alamitos Qh503mCLM FM 3U3E Hernandez57kgFast0:25.6370.7 km/h1.3L2-4$2.00f34$16,103$3,414

1. Smart Kitten

2. Modera

3. Run Auntie T Run

34 Day Freshen-Up
1st of 719/1/25Los Alamitos Qh503mCLM FM 3U1E Hernandez56.5kgFast0:25.7570.3 km/h1.5L4-1$2.30f14$17,742$8,903

1. Modera

2. Secret Of War

3. Smiling For Nana

1st of 65/1/25Los Alamitos Qh503mCLM FM 3U5Edgar Payeras56.5kgFast0:26.5068.3 km/h0.5L1-2$2.6022$16,129$8,371

1. Modera

2. Secret Of War

3. Somethingnefarious

4Jesus J Uranga
  • Secret Of War (4) 4155122535
  • Trainer: Jesus J Uranga (USA)
  • Jockey: Francisco Ramirez
  • Weight: 56kg
  • Prize Money: $130,683
  • Win / Place: 14% / 38%

9 yo Chestnut Mare

Sire: CYCLOTRON (USA)

Dam: CRYSTAL CHANDELIER (USA)

Dam's Sire: Houston

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Rating

Stats
Career
63: 9-9-6
Distance
61: 9-9-6
Trk/Dst
37: 5-8-6
Track
61: 9-9-6
Season
5: 0-2-1
1st Up
5: 0-1-0
2nd Up
5: 0-1-0
3rd Up
5: 1-0-0
4th Up
4: 1-0-0
Metro
2: 0-0-0
Non-Metro
61: 9-9-6
Turf
1: 0-0-0
Dirt
62: 9-9-6
Fast
1: 0-0-0
Firm
6: 1-0-0
Anti-Clockwise
63: 9-9-6
Jockey Stats
Horse
2: 0-0-1
Last 50
0: 0-0-0
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Distance Range Last 6 months

503m

Comments
Returns from a 48-day let-up. Most recently ran last in a small field at this track on March 30 over 503m, 4 len behind Wrong Turn Cupid carrying 56kg at $10.80. The run before that 3rd in a small field at this track on March 16 over 503m, 2.5 len behind Smiling For Nana carrying 56kg at $10.30.

Expected Settling Position: Off Pace

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
5th of 530/3/25Los Alamitos Qh503mCLM FM 3U1Ricardo S Ramirez56kgFast0:25.4671.1 km/h3.9L5-5$1114$15,055$634

1. Wrong Turn Cupid

2. Run Auntie T Run

3. Modera

3rd of 616/3/25Los Alamitos Qh503mCLM FM 3U5Francisco J Ramirez56kgFast0:25.8370.1 km/h2.5L5-4$1022$16,051$1,894

1. Smiling For Nana

2. Wrong Turn Cupid

3. Secret Of War

5th of 622/2/25Los Alamitos Qh503mCLM FM 3U5Francisco J Ramirez56kgFast0:25.6370.7 km/h3.4L6-5$1134$16,103$644

1. Smart Kitten

2. Modera

3. Run Auntie T Run

34 Day Freshen-Up
2nd of 719/1/25Los Alamitos Qh503mCLM FM 3U4Ricardo S Ramirez56.5kgFast0:25.7570.3 km/h1.5L5-2$4.1014$17,742$3,645

1. Modera

2. Secret Of War

3. Smiling For Nana

2nd of 65/1/25Los Alamitos Qh503mCLM FM 3U6Ricardo S Ramirez56.5kgFast0:26.5068.3 km/h0.5L2-1$3.1022$16,129$3,419

1. Modera

2. Secret Of War

3. Somethingnefarious

1st of 514/12/24Los Alamitos Qh503mCLM FM 3U5Ricardo S Ramirez56.5kgFast0:26.4768.4 km/h0.5L1-1$3.8027$13,867$7,473

1. Secret Of War

2. Modera

3. Met At The Dance

5Jorge Farias
  • Somethingnefarious (5) 2565353313
  • Trainer: Jorge Farias ()
  • Jockey: Jose Alcala
  • Weight: 56kg
  • Prize Money: $84,188
  • Win / Place: 8.33% / 44%

6 yo Bay Mare

Sire: ACCLAMATION (USA)

Dam: EDEN MIRELLE (USA)

Dam's Sire: Cyclotron

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Rating

Stats
Career
36: 3-5-8
Distance
30: 2-5-7
Trk/Dst
8: 0-2-2
Track
30: 2-5-7
Season
4: 1-0-3
1st Up
1: 0-0-0
2nd Up
1: 1-0-0
3rd Up
1: 0-0-0
4th Up
1: 0-0-0
Non-Metro
36: 3-5-8
Synthetic
6: 1-0-1
Dirt
30: 2-5-7
Firm
6: 0-0-0
Anti-Clockwise
36: 3-5-8
Jockey Stats
Horse
1: 0-0-0
Last 50
0: 0-0-0
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Distance Range Last 6 months

503m - 905m

Comments
Racing well. Last start sat on the speed and boxed on steadily 3rd of 8 at this track on May 3 over 796m, 2.25 len behind Smiling For Nana carrying 56.5kg at $14.70. The start before that came from midfield and won by 0.5 len at this track March 9 over 905m defeating Rippin A Way carrying 56kg at $2.90.

Expected Settling Position: Midfield

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
3rd of 83/5/25Los Alamitos Qh796mCLM FM 3U4Francisco J Ramirez56.5kgFast0:46.6061.5 km/h2.3L2-2$1555$18,750$2,156

1. Smiling For Nana

2. Wrong Turn Cupid

3. Somethingnefarious

55 Day Freshen-Up
1st of 79/3/25Los Alamitos Qh905mCLM FM 3U7Francisco J Ramirez56kgFast0:52.8361.7 km/h0.5L4-1$2.90f29$16,854$8,403

1. Somethingnefarious

2. Rippin A Way

3. Standforgrit

3rd of 78/2/25Los Alamitos Qh905mCLM FM 3U5Francisco J Ramirez56kgFast0:52.7161.8 km/h2.8L3-2$2134$12,882$1,417

1. Sweet Tempest

2. Respect The Crown

3. Somethingnefarious

34 Day Freshen-Up
3rd of 65/1/25Los Alamitos Qh503mCLM FM 3U4Francisco J Ramirez57kgFast0:26.5068.3 km/h1.8L3-3$1822$16,129$1,903

1. Modera

2. Secret Of War

3. Somethingnefarious

5th of 514/12/24Los Alamitos Qh503mCLM FM 3U4Jose Rosario Alcala56kgFast0:26.4768.4 km/h3.0L5-5$1427$13,867$616

1. Secret Of War

2. Modera

3. Met At The Dance

3rd of 617/11/24Los Alamitos Qh503mCLM FM 3U6Henry Reynoso Lopez56kgFast0:26.8367.5 km/h2.3L6-5$1221$15,221$1,796

1. Modera

2. Storm D'oro

3. Somethingnefarious

6Angela M Aquino
  • Smiling For Nana (6) x531643141
  • Trainer: Angela M Aquino ()
  • Jockey: Adrian Escobedo
  • Weight: 56.5kg
  • Prize Money: $68,161
  • Win / Place: 41% / 66%
Jockey / Horse Combo

4 yo Chestnut Filly

Sire: SMILING TIGER (USA)

Dam: NUFFSAID NUFFSAID (USA)

Dam's Sire: Mutakddim

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Rating

Stats
Career
12: 5-1-2
Distance
10: 5-1-1
Trk/Dst
4: 1-0-1
Track
10: 5-1-1
Season
5: 2-0-1
1st Up
2: 1-0-0
2nd Up
2: 1-0-1
3rd Up
2: 1-1-0
4th Up
1: 0-0-0
Metro
2: 0-0-1
Non-Metro
10: 5-1-1
Turf
1: 0-0-0
Dirt
11: 5-1-2
Fast
1: 0-0-0
Firm
5: 0-0-0
Anti-Clockwise
12: 5-1-2
Jockey Stats
Horse
9: 5-1-0
Last 50
0: 0-0-0
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Distance Range Last 6 months

503m - 914m

Comments
Form hard to fault. At the latest run won by 1.5 len at this track May 3 over 796m defeating Wrong Turn Cupid carrying 56.5kg at $4. The start before that second last in a small field at this track on March 30 over 503m, 1.75 len behind Wrong Turn Cupid carrying 56.5kg at $2.50.

Expected Settling Position: Off Pace

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
1st of 83/5/25Los Alamitos Qh796mCLM FM 3U1Adrian Escobedo56.5kgFast0:46.6061.5 km/h1.5L6-3$4.0034$18,750$9,531

1. Smiling For Nana

2. Wrong Turn Cupid

3. Somethingnefarious

34 Day Freshen-Up
4th of 530/3/25Los Alamitos Qh503mCLM FM 3U3Adrian Escobedo56.5kgFast0:25.4671.1 km/h1.9L3-4$2.50f14$15,055$1,109

1. Wrong Turn Cupid

2. Run Auntie T Run

3. Modera

1st of 616/3/25Los Alamitos Qh503mCLM FM 3U6Adrian Escobedo56kgFast0:25.8370.1 km/h1.0L2-1$4.4056$16,051$8,331

1. Smiling For Nana

2. Wrong Turn Cupid

3. Secret Of War

56 Day Freshen-Up
3rd of 719/1/25Los Alamitos Qh503mCLM FM 3U2Jose Elias Rodriguez56kgFast0:25.7570.3 km/h1.6L3-7$7.2014$17,742$2,032

1. Modera

2. Secret Of War

3. Smiling For Nana

4th of 65/1/25Los Alamitos Qh503mCLM FM 3U2Adrian Escobedo56kgFast0:26.5068.3 km/h2.5L5-6$2.50f35$16,129$1,145

1. Modera

2. Secret Of War

3. Somethingnefarious

35 Day Freshen-Up
- of 61/12/24Los Alamitos Qh914mALLOW FM 3U6Adrian Escobedo56kgFast0:53.4161.6 km/h4.5L1-2$2.30f35$18,265$457

1. Wrong Turn Cupid

2. Falabella

3. Rock N Roll Song

35 Day Freshen-Up
7Jesus Garcia
  • Run Auntie T Run (7) 1254523625
  • Trainer: Jesus Garcia ()
  • Jockey: Jesse Gonzalez
  • Weight: 56kg
  • Prize Money: $119,179
  • Win / Place: 13% / 46%

6 yo Bay Mare

Sire: STANFORD (USA)

Dam: SUGAR SPICE (USA)

Dam's Sire: Tavasco

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Rating

Stats
Career
43: 6-11-3
Distance
36: 6-10-2
Trk/Dst
16: 2-6-1
Track
36: 6-10-2
Season
6: 0-2-1
1st Up
3: 0-1-0
2nd Up
3: 0-0-0
3rd Up
2: 1-0-0
4th Up
2: 0-1-0
Metro
7: 0-1-1
Non-Metro
36: 6-10-2
Turf
1: 0-0-0
Dirt
42: 6-11-3
Fast
1: 0-0-0
Firm
5: 1-0-0
Anti-Clockwise
43: 6-11-3
Jockey Stats
Horse
3: 0-1-0
Last 50
0: 0-0-0
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Distance Range Last 6 months

503m - 796m

Comments
Last start second last in a small field at this track on May 4 over 503m, 2.75 len behind Heather's Heathen carrying 56kg at $16.80. The run before that 2nd in a small field at this track on March 30 over 503m, 1.3 len behind Wrong Turn Cupid carrying 56kg at $8.

Expected Settling Position: Off Pace

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
5th of 64/5/25Los Alamitos Qh503mCLM 3U3Damian Diaz Cruz56kgFast0:25.6170.7 km/h2.8L4-4$1735$15,625$625

1. Heather's Heathen

2. Indian Arrow

3. Vermeer

35 Day Freshen-Up
2nd of 530/3/25Los Alamitos Qh503mCLM FM 3U5Damian Diaz Cruz56kgFast0:25.4671.1 km/h1.3L2-2$8.0022$15,055$3,328

1. Wrong Turn Cupid

2. Run Auntie T Run

3. Modera

6th of 68/3/25Los Alamitos Qh796mALLOW 3U3Jose Rosario Alcala56kgFast0:45.1463.5 km/h7.5L3-4$4714$24,077$482

1. To Speight Her

2. Western Grit

3. Heather's Heathen

3rd of 622/2/25Los Alamitos Qh503mCLM FM 3U2Ricardo S Ramirez56kgFast0:25.6370.7 km/h1.8L4-2$3.3028$16,103$1,900

1. Smart Kitten

2. Modera

3. Run Auntie T Run

2nd of 625/1/25Los Alamitos Qh503mCLM 3U3Jesse P Gonzalez56kgFast0:25.4971.0 km/h0.5L2-2$116$16,129$3,419

1. Heather's Heathen

2. Run Auntie T Run

3. Good N Thirsty

5th of 719/1/25Los Alamitos Qh503mCLM FM 3U5Jesse P Gonzalez58kgFast0:25.7570.3 km/h2.6L6-4$6.8036$17,742$645

1. Modera

2. Secret Of War

3. Smiling For Nana

36 Day Freshen-Up
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