Horseshoe Indianapolis Race 7

Maiden Special Weight

Prize Money: $55,988

BITS OF CANDY (7) finished second, beaten 2.75 lengths, when resuming from a spell last start over 1207m at this track (Dirt) after she was in the firing line on the turn. Ready to go one better. KIPPY TOO (8) will find this a little easier than her third on debut two-and-a-half weeks ago, beaten 1.5 lengths at the end of 1207m at this track (Dirt). Promising type with improvement to come so she will be hard to beat. AD LITTERAM (3) was in the money on debut before finishing fourth last time, beaten 6 lengths over 1207m at this track (Dirt). Going well and can feature again. NO SELF CONTROL (4) was beaten 4 lengths into fifth at the second run back from a break in a 1207m contest at this track at her latest appearance. Finds a nice race and can atone.
  • Distance: 1106m
  • Track: Good
  • Weather: -
  • Surface: Dirt
  • Class: MDN
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1Ron D Herrell
  • Vortex Express (1) 555x
  • Trainer: Ron D Herrell ()
  • Jockey: Andres Calleja
  • Weight: 54.5kg
  • Prize Money: $4,189
  • Win / Place: 0% / 0%

3 yo Chestnut Filly

Sire: BUCCHERO (USA)

Dam: POLAR VORTEX (USA)

Dam's Sire: Johar

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Rating

Stats
Career
3: 0-0-0
Distance
3: 0-0-0
Trk/Dst
3: 0-0-0
Track
3: 0-0-0
1st Up
1: 0-0-0
2nd Up
1: 0-0-0
3rd Up
1: 0-0-0
Metro
3: 0-0-0
Dirt
3: 0-0-0
Anti-Clockwise
3: 0-0-0
Jockey Stats
Horse
3: 0-0-0
Last 50
0: 0-0-0
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
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Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
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Gear Changes

steel shoes first time, surgical shoes.

Comments
Resuming after a seven months break. Finished off last campaign fifth of 7 at this track October 31 over 1106m, 16 len behind Wicked Vette carrying 52kg at $24.90. On debut fifth of 7 at this track September 16 over 1106m, 15 len behind Catatonic with 51.5kg at $37.60.

Expected Settling Position: Off Pace

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
5th of 731/10/24Indiana Downs1106mMDN F 26Andres Calleja52kgSP1:05.0861.2 km/h16.8L2-5$2524$52,023$1,561

1. Wicked Vette

2. Hoosier Promise

3. Gold Delight

5th of 87/10/24Indiana Downs1106mMDN F 21Andres Calleja51.5kgFast1:06.8859.5 km/h6.8L2-2$3821$52,023$1,040

1. Spooky Ridge

2. Wicked Vette

3. Royal Justice

5th of 716/9/24Indiana Downs1106mMDN F 26Andres Calleja51.5kgFast1:06.0160.3 km/h15.9L7-5$38-$52,941$1,588

1. Catatonic

2. My Strong Heart

3. Hoosier Promise

2Randy Klopp
  • Oso Fancy (2) 7
  • Trainer: Randy Klopp ()
  • Jockey: Luis Contreras
  • Weight: 54.5kg
  • Prize Money: $431
  • Win / Place: 0% / 0%

3 yo Bay Filly

Sire: ASTERN (AUS)

Dam: RUNNIN FROM ROSIE (USA)

Dam's Sire: Bowman's Band

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Rating

Stats
Career
1: 0-0-0
Distance
1: 0-0-0
Trk/Dst
1: 0-0-0
Track
1: 0-0-0
Season
1: 0-0-0
1st Up
1: 0-0-0
Metro
1: 0-0-0
Dirt
1: 0-0-0
Anti-Clockwise
1: 0-0-0
Jockey Stats
Horse
1: 0-0-0
Last 50
0: 0-0-0
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Distance Range Last 6 months

1106m

Comments
At debut, 7th of 11 at this track on April 30 over 1106m, 9 len behind Fat Chance carrying 55kg at $5.90.

Expected Settling Position: Midfield

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
7th of 1130/4/25Indiana Downs1106mMDN F 36Luis Contreras55kgFast1:04.8261.4 km/h9.3L6-4$5.90-$57,508$431

1. Fat Chance

2. Ad Litteram

3. Quibble

3Eduardo Caramori
  • Ad Litteram (3) 24
  • Trainer: Eduardo Caramori ()
  • Jockey: Samuel Bermudez
  • Weight: 54.5kg
  • Prize Money: $14,314
  • Win / Place: 0% / 50%

3 yo Bay Filly

Sire: JIMMY CREED (USA)

Dam: WALL OF WORRY (USA)

Dam's Sire: The Cliff's Edge

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Rating

Stats
Career
2: 0-1-0
Distance
1: 0-1-0
Trk/Dst
1: 0-1-0
Track
2: 0-1-0
Season
2: 0-1-0
1st Up
1: 0-1-0
2nd Up
1: 0-0-0
Metro
2: 0-1-0
Dirt
2: 0-1-0
Anti-Clockwise
2: 0-1-0
Jockey Stats
Horse
0: 0-0-0
Last 50
0: 0-0-0
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Distance Range Last 6 months

1106m - 1207m

Comments
Had two starts to date. At debut, 2nd of 11 at this track on April 30 over 1106m, 0.5 len behind Fat Chance carrying 55kg at $9.50. Last start 4th of 10 at this track on May 15 over 1207m, 6 len behind Temple Paynter with 54.5kg at $9.30.

Expected Settling Position: Off Midfield

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
4th of 1015/5/25Indiana Downs1207mMDN FM 3U7Andres Calleja54.5kgFast1:11.1961.0 km/h5.8L9-6$9.3015$56,250$2,812

1. Temple Paynter

2. Bits Of Candy

3. Quibble

2nd of 1130/4/25Indiana Downs1106mMDN F 311Yarmarie L Correa55kgFast1:04.8261.4 km/h0.5L5-2$9.50-$57,508$11,502

1. Fat Chance

2. Ad Litteram

3. Quibble

4Miguel Silva
  • No Self Control (4) 53x55
  • Trainer: Miguel Silva ()
  • Jockey: Emmanuel Esquivel
  • Weight: 54.5kg
  • Prize Money: $7,208
  • Win / Place: 0% / 25%

3 yo Chestnut Filly

Sire: FLAMEAWAY (CAN)

Dam: BIRD'S BELLE (USA)

Dam's Sire: Sky Mesa

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Rating

Stats
Career
4: 0-0-1
Distance
3: 0-0-1
Trk/Dst
1: 0-0-0
Track
4: 0-0-1
Season
2: 0-0-0
1st Up
2: 0-0-0
2nd Up
2: 0-0-1
Metro
4: 0-0-1
Dirt
4: 0-0-1
Anti-Clockwise
4: 0-0-1
Jockey Stats
Horse
0: 0-0-0
Last 50
0: 0-0-0
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Distance Range Last 6 months

1106m - 1207m

Comments
Third-up today. First-up 5th of 11 at this track on April 30 over 1106m, 5 len behind Fat Chance with 55kg at $3.80. Second-up 5th of 10 at this track on May 21 over 1207m, 4 len behind Cloudy Star carrying 54.5kg at $7.30.

Expected Settling Position: Off Pace

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
5th of 1021/5/25Indiana Downs1207mMDN FM 3U3Andres Patricio Ulloa54.5kgGood1:13.7158.9 km/h3.8L3-4$7.3021$56,250$562

1. Cloudy Star

2. Tiger Jumper

3. Kippy Too

5th of 1130/4/25Indiana Downs1106mMDN F 35Andres Patricio Ulloa55kgFast1:04.8261.4 km/h5.3L3-1$3.80272$57,508$575

1. Fat Chance

2. Ad Litteram

3. Quibble

272 Day Spell
3rd of 121/8/24Indiana Downs1006mMDN F 24Eduardo E Perez54kgFast0:59.1561.2 km/h3.5L2-3$1327$55,300$5,530

1. Off Pitch

2. My Strong Heart

3. No Self Control

5th of 125/7/24Indiana Downs1006mMDN F 21Eduardo E Perez53.5kgSP0:59.1061.3 km/h6.5L8-5$47-$54,135$541

1. Miss Candela

2. Don't Miss Out

3. Off Pitch

5Tomas Medina
  • Swift Bee (5) 98
  • Trainer: Tomas Medina ()
  • Jockey: Alberto Burgos
  • Weight: 54.5kg
  • Prize Money: $850
  • Win / Place: 0% / 0%

3 yo Chestnut Filly

Sire: BEE JERSEY (USA)

Dam: SWIFT CLOSER (USA)

Dam's Sire: Closing Argument

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Stats
Career
2: 0-0-0
Distance
1: 0-0-0
Trk/Dst
1: 0-0-0
Track
2: 0-0-0
Season
2: 0-0-0
1st Up
1: 0-0-0
2nd Up
1: 0-0-0
Metro
2: 0-0-0
Dirt
2: 0-0-0
Anti-Clockwise
2: 0-0-0
Jockey Stats
Horse
1: 0-0-0
Last 50
0: 0-0-0
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Distance Range Last 6 months

1106m - 1207m

Comments
Had two starts to date. At debut, 9th of 11 at this track on April 30 over 1106m, 17 len behind Fat Chance carrying 55kg at $19.30. Second-up 8th of 10 at this track on May 21 over 1207m, 9 len behind Cloudy Star carrying 54.5kg at $39.70.

Expected Settling Position: Off Midfield

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
8th of 1021/5/25Indiana Downs1207mMDN FM 3U4Alberto Burgos54.5kgGood1:13.7158.9 km/h9.3L5-8$4021$56,250$562

1. Cloudy Star

2. Tiger Jumper

3. Kippy Too

9th of 1130/4/25Indiana Downs1106mMDN F 310Joseph D Ramos55kgFast1:04.8261.4 km/h17.3L9-9$19-$57,508$288

1. Fat Chance

2. Ad Litteram

3. Quibble

6Lilia Gonzalez
  • My Strong Heart (6) 624277x0
  • Trainer: Lilia Gonzalez ()
  • Jockey: Arcelio Flaco
  • Weight: 54.5kg
  • Prize Money: $25,971
  • Win / Place: 0% / 28%

3 yo Bay Filly

Sire: BUCCHERO (USA)

Dam: CELTIC EMBRACE (USA)

Dam's Sire: Harlington

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Rating

Stats
Career
7: 0-2-0
Distance
5: 0-2-0
Trk/Dst
3: 0-1-0
Track
6: 0-2-0
Season
1: 0-0-0
1st Up
2: 0-0-0
2nd Up
1: 0-1-0
3rd Up
1: 0-0-0
4th Up
1: 0-1-0
Metro
7: 0-2-0
Turf
1: 0-0-0
Dirt
6: 0-2-0
Fast
1: 0-0-0
Firm
1: 0-0-0
Anti-Clockwise
7: 0-2-0
Jockey Stats
Horse
0: 0-0-0
Last 50
0: 0-0-0
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
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Distance Range Last 6 months

1207m

Comments
Second-up. First-up after seven months ran last of 10 at this track on May 21 over 1207m, 26 len behind Cloudy Star with 54.5kg at $6.50. Previously second-up 2nd of 12 at this track on August 1 over 1006m, 3 len behind Off Pitch with 54kg at $6.20.

Expected Settling Position: Leader

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
10th of 1021/5/25Indiana Downs1207mMDN FM 3U10Fernando De La Cruz54.5kgGood1:13.7158.9 km/h26.3L2-10$6.50189$56,250$281

1. Cloudy Star

2. Tiger Jumper

3. Kippy Too

189 Day Spell
7th of 1213/11/24Indiana Downs1106mMDN F 29Joseph M Romero51.5kgFast1:05.1061.2 km/h12.0L2-4$3.1016$54,795$274

1. Hoosier Promise

2. Jordans Deal

3. Mictlan

7th of 1028/10/24Indiana Downs1006mMDN F 27Fernando De La Cruz53.5kgFM0:55.8864.8 km/h5.8L1-4$4142$46,243$462

1. Shirley Ann

2. Oklahoma Logic

3. Her Holy Name

42 Day Freshen-Up
2nd of 716/9/24Indiana Downs1106mMDN F 23Fernando De La Cruz54.5kgFast1:06.0160.3 km/h7.3L2-2$2.9025$52,941$10,588

1. Catatonic

2. My Strong Heart

3. Hoosier Promise

4th of 922/8/24Indiana Downs1106mMDN F 25Fernando De La Cruz54kgFast1:05.5460.8 km/h6.3L1-2$2.00f21$55,300$2,765

1. Molly's Legacy

2. Mama's The Cause

3. Charming Talisman

2nd of 121/8/24Indiana Downs1006mMDN F 25Fernando De La Cruz54kgFast0:59.1561.2 km/h3.3L1-1$6.2027$55,300$11,060

1. Off Pitch

2. My Strong Heart

3. No Self Control

7Robert E Dobbs Jr
  • Bits Of Candy (7) 2x2
  • Trainer: Robert E Dobbs Jr ()
  • Jockey: Orlando Mojica
  • Weight: 56kg
  • Prize Money: $22,310
  • Win / Place: 0% / 100%

4 yo Grey/Roan Filly

Sire: HIT IT A BOMB (USA)

Dam: LOOKING FOR BITS (USA)

Dam's Sire: Monarchos

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Rating

Stats
Career
2: 0-2-0
Track
2: 0-2-0
Season
1: 0-1-0
1st Up
2: 0-2-0
Metro
2: 0-2-0
Dirt
2: 0-2-0
Anti-Clockwise
2: 0-2-0
Jockey Stats
Horse
2: 0-2-0
Last 50
0: 0-0-0
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
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Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Distance Range Last 6 months

1207m

Comments
Third race start. Promising on debut ran on from midfield; 2nd of 10 at this track on August 13 over 1207m, 1.75 len behind Molly's Aussie with 54.5kg at $6. Went for a break before returning ran on from midfield; 2nd of 10 at this track on May 15 over 1207m, 2.75 len behind Temple Paynter carrying 56kg at $9.50.

Expected Settling Position: Midfield

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
2nd of 1015/5/25Indiana Downs1207mMDN FM 3U6O Mojica56kgFast1:11.1961.0 km/h2.8L4-1$9.50275$56,250$11,250

1. Temple Paynter

2. Bits Of Candy

3. Quibble

275 Day Spell
2nd of 1013/8/24Indiana Downs1207mMDN FM 3U7O Mojica54.5kgFast1:13.3659.2 km/h1.8L6-5$6.00-$55,300$11,060

1. Molly's Aussie

2. Bits Of Candy

3. Littleransomsfire

8Robert M Gorham
  • Kippy Too (8) 3
  • Trainer: Robert M Gorham ()
  • Jockey: Fernando De La Cruz
  • Weight: 54.5kg
  • Prize Money: $5,625
  • Win / Place: 0% / 100%

3 yo Bay Filly

Sire: KLIMT (USA)

Dam: MILDRED (USA)

Dam's Sire: Hard Spun

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Stats
Career
1: 0-0-1
Track
1: 0-0-1
Season
1: 0-0-1
1st Up
1: 0-0-1
Metro
1: 0-0-1
Dirt
1: 0-0-1
Anti-Clockwise
1: 0-0-1
Jockey Stats
Horse
0: 0-0-0
Last 50
0: 0-0-0
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Distance Range Last 6 months

1207m

Comments
Was well in the market at debut, made ground from midfield; 3rd of 10 at this track on May 21 over 1207m, 1.5 len behind Cloudy Star with 54.5kg at $4.10.

Expected Settling Position: Midfield

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
3rd of 1021/5/25Indiana Downs1207mMDN FM 3U9Luis Contreras54.5kgGood1:13.7158.9 km/h1.6L6-3$4.10-$56,250$5,625

1. Cloudy Star

2. Tiger Jumper

3. Kippy Too

9Robert M Gorham
  • Pay Me Later (9) 5
  • Trainer: Robert M Gorham ()
  • Jockey: Santo Sanjur
  • Weight: 54.5kg
  • Prize Money: $562
  • Win / Place: 0% / 0%

3 yo Dark Bay/Brown Filly

Sire: PAYNTER (USA)

Dam: TAKE CHARGE SISTER (USA)

Dam's Sire: Take Charge Indy

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Rating

Stats
Career
1: 0-0-0
Track
1: 0-0-0
Season
1: 0-0-0
1st Up
1: 0-0-0
Metro
1: 0-0-0
Dirt
1: 0-0-0
Anti-Clockwise
1: 0-0-0
Jockey Stats
Horse
0: 0-0-0
Last 50
0: 0-0-0
Trainer
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Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
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Trainer/Track
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Trainer/Distance
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Distance Range Last 6 months

1207m

Comments
Jumped at big odds at debut, 5th of 10 at this track on May 15 over 1207m, 7 len behind Temple Paynter carrying 54.5kg at $32.50.

Expected Settling Position: Off Midfield

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
5th of 1015/5/25Indiana Downs1207mMDN FM 3U9Fernando De La Cruz54.5kgFast1:11.1961.0 km/h7.8L7-9$33-$56,250$562

1. Temple Paynter

2. Bits Of Candy

3. Quibble

10Randy Klopp
  • Crumbl (10)
  • Trainer: Randy Klopp ()
  • Jockey: Joseph Ramos
  • Weight: 54.5kg
  • Prize Money: $0
  • Win / Place: 0% / 0%

3 yo Chestnut Filly

Sire: TAPITURE (USA)

Dam: SPOOF (USA)

Dam's Sire: Ghostzapper

Stats
Career
0: 0-0-0
Jockey Stats
Horse
0: 0-0-0
Last 50
0: 0-0-0
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Gear Changes

steel shoes first time, surgical shoes.

Comments
First-starter by Tapiture out of Spoof.

Expected Settling Position: No speed data

Last Starts
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
11Miguel Silva
  • Mictlan (11) 3x6
  • Trainer: Miguel Silva ()
  • Jockey: Andres Ulloa
  • Weight: 54.5kg
  • Prize Money: $6,041
  • Win / Place: 0% / 50%

3 yo Dark Bay/Brown Filly

Sire: SHARP AZTECA (USA)

Dam: SARA SARA (USA)

Dam's Sire: Aeneas

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Rating

Stats
Career
2: 0-0-1
Distance
1: 0-0-1
Trk/Dst
1: 0-0-1
Track
2: 0-0-1
Season
1: 0-0-0
1st Up
2: 0-0-1
Metro
2: 0-0-1
Dirt
2: 0-0-1
Anti-Clockwise
2: 0-0-1
Jockey Stats
Horse
2: 0-0-1
Last 50
0: 0-0-0
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Distance Range Last 6 months

1207m

Comments
Third race start. First start raced on the pace when 3rd of 12 at this track on November 13 over 1106m, 4 len behind Hoosier Promise with 55kg at $42.10. Returned from break 6th of 10 at this track on May 15 over 1207m, 8 len behind Temple Paynter carrying 54.5kg at $8.80.

Expected Settling Position: Midfield

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
6th of 1015/5/25Indiana Downs1207mMDN FM 3U3Andres Patricio Ulloa54.5kgFast1:11.1961.0 km/h8.3L5-3$8.80183$56,250$562

1. Temple Paynter

2. Bits Of Candy

3. Quibble

183 Day Spell
3rd of 1213/11/24Indiana Downs1106mMDN F 211Andres Patricio Ulloa55kgFast1:05.1061.2 km/h4.0L4-2$42-$54,795$5,479

1. Hoosier Promise

2. Jordans Deal

3. Mictlan

12Michelle L Elliott
  • Sudden Rise (12)
  • Trainer: Michelle L Elliott ()
  • Jockey: Joseph Romero (a3)
  • Weight: 51.5kg
  • Prize Money: $0
  • Win / Place: 0% / 0%

3 yo Dark Bay/Brown Filly

Sire: UPSTART (USA)

Dam: HAPPENING (USA)

Dam's Sire: Animal Kingdom

Stats
Career
0: 0-0-0
Jockey Stats
Horse
0: 0-0-0
Last 50
0: 0-0-0
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Gear Changes

steel shoes first time, surgical shoes.

Comments
First-starter by Upstart out of Happening.

Expected Settling Position: No speed data

Last Starts
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
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